I bet Harris hasn't given a speech because they're coming over the votes with a fine tooth comb to check for anything funky. I'm not claiming I think that happened, but the trump party has been caught doing almost every single corrupt thing they have accused the dnc of doing, and the trump party has done an awful lot of finger pointing about rigging the election.
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I don’t buy this. In Nebraska there was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician. The union leader lost.
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
All the polls suggest it was driven by the economy. Inflation is quite moderate right now, but the prices stay high, so that's got to be on everyone's mind.
People around here think it's all manner of things except what voters are actually saying.
Donald Trump winning is not an indictment of the Democratic Party, or Harris for that matter. It's an indictment of the American people.
It's all three.
The way modern democracies die is they democratically elect authoritarian leaders who erode and dismantle that democracy. Parties don't matter. It's the people who do it to themselves. Sad but true.
I mean yeah but that didn't need to be now. Harris basically threw the race and that's part of why this disaster came to be. Even assuming American democracy was nearing the end of its lifetime, it should've had a few more decades in it. The popular will to defeat Trump was there.
Harris didn't do anything any good pol wouldn't do. The popular will was not there, as the results displayed.
Harris tried to run on protecting abortion rights, and saving democracy from Trump and Project 2025. Under other circumstances, that probably would have worked.
Unfortunately, she was the nominee for the incumbent party at a time when the vast majority of voters were unhappy with the economy. That's a hard position to be in, and requires a compelling answer. She had a few token items for the agenda, but nothing that would address the larger issue of people feeling squeezed by inflation. Saying things are better now or going to be better soon doesn't appease the voters who don't feel better.
The horrible truth is, a large portion of the electorate would vote for the literal devil if he was running against an incumbent during a bad economy.
I've seen this put a different way. That she didn't separate herself adequately fromas Biden, in this case the economy. But, that's the problem for a politician as the minute any c she separates on one issue, others will be asked about. Then the story is about perceived failures, rightly or wrongly. Most young voters have never been through an inflation cycle. They don't realize that that they are pretty natural, and also this one was controlled well. You just ride them out. But, I doubt you could point to this issue as a sole cause.
Honestly, I think they blew it back over the 4 years they barely did anything to lock him up. It took them the better part of 3 years to just get the freaking classified documents back. And they still don’t have them all back.
They sat around all that time because they were afraid of being political. Well guess what. Now that fascist fuck is the next POTUS and it’s bloody political.
They tried to impeach him and more. They were blocked by Congress. It was pretty clear that they didn’t have enough votes to do anything.
What does congress have to do with a fucking criminal trial on violating the National Espionage Act?
What do democrats have to do with it? I was under the impression that you were talking about Congress not taking action to hold Trump accountable.
Yes, because the DoJ are “congress”.
Biden is the head of the executive branch, and Marrick Garland's boss.
It took Garland two and a half years just to appoint Smith as special counsel. They sat around with their thumbs up their asses hoping trump would fade to obscurity because they were afraid of being “political”
What would have changed by doing it sooner?
And how is Merrick Garland working for democrats? I thought the FBI was non partisan?
Did you really just ask what getting highly classified nuclear secrets back from a broke-ass billionaire with ties to both the saudis and Putin sooner would change?
Also I already answered your second question.
Biden was his fucking boss, and not doing his job is inherently partisan when it protect a politician. Make sense?
If it were that simple why didn’t they do it? Do you think they were conspiring to help Trump? Do you really think they just said “I don’t want to do that today, let’s put it off for another time”?
I think if it were that simple they would’ve done it. But Trump has been able to avoid consequences for everything he has done so obviously it is not that simple to prosecute him.
I dont know why it is so hard for you to see that.
If it were that simple why didn’t they do it?
It is that simple, the Jack Teixeira case shows how qiuckly and how simple it is to get a fucking warrant and get the documents out of the hands of people who have no business holding them.
Once you have the documented evidence recovered from the warrant it's incredibly simple and iron clad to show that trump violated the law. having those documents is itself all the evidence you need.
as for what laws were broken That to is incredibly simple, and the simple fact of him having the classified materials after leaving office is iron-clad proof of his guilt. the text to save you click:
(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
Do you think they were conspiring to help Trump? Do you really think they just said “I don’t want to do that today, let’s put it off for another time”?
Their stated justification for their actions were "to avoid appearing political". Which, given the blatant guilt (you saw the news-crew videos of the FBI agents dragging out the classified materials, right?) inaction is itself also political.
Any one with even so much as a single half-baked ethics training class under their belt would know that the way you avoid accusations of political bias isn't to change how you do your job- it's to do the job in the same way that you always would; and to document the shit out of doing your job that way for transparency. Sitting on your ass for two and a half years is inherently political when you would not do that for literally any other subject imaginable.
But Trump has been able to avoid consequences for everything he has done so obviously it is not that simple to prosecute him.
Because chucklefucks like Marrick Garland can't be arsed to do their fucking jobs.
I dont know why it is so hard for you to see that.
Because you don't want to
Their stated justification for their actions were "to avoid appearing political".
They stated this and treaded lightly because this is literally how Trump has gotten away with everything. By claiming any consequences against him are because of a political witch hunt.
And half the country has supported his rejection of reality.
If facts are ignored by claiming they are politically motivate then it isn’t as easy as you are making it out to be. But anyone that has been paying attention can see that.
You are scapegoating the people trying to stop Trump.
again it is that fucking simple.
not prosecuting someone or investigating someone to avoid appearance of political motive is inherently political.
Which is precisely why you proceed as you would for any other case.
You can act like what you’re saying is reasonable, but it’s absolutely not. It’s a gross miscarriage of justice.
And Biden allowed it to go on because he was still stuck in the pre-Nixon era mindset of disgraced politicians going the fuck away.
Trump literally put off multiple cases against him long enough to become president again.
THIS ISNT HAPPENING BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE PROSECUTOR DIDNT DO ENOUGH.
TRUMP AND THE BILLIONARE CLASS HAVE BOUGHT THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM
I mean, Merrick Garland is literally working for Democrats. But they tried to give it the appearance that wasn't working for Democrats. That's what the other poster is complaining about. Trump cases needed to be expedited, knowing that he would piss and moan and delay as much as possible. Now it's too late because he's going to be president in a couple months, and he can just pardon himself.
If it were that simple why didn’t they just do it? Do you think they were conspiring to help Trump? Or do you think they were lazy?
Or is it the same situation it has been every single time Trump commits a crime and gets away with it, where he has weaponized his base to avoid consequences?
The latter is the obvious answer imo and even the FBI can’t stop the man with the Supreme Court on his side. Scapegoating the FBI seems odd here.
Locking up Trump wouldn't have kept the Republicans from winning. They'd have just found another candidate willing to say the same things.
One doesn’t guarantee the other. Trump had something special that nobody else seems to have. I doubt they could get that lightning in the bottle again.
I don't know. it would have been hard for them to change the figurehead of the cult. it also would have sent a clear "Don't do that" signal vis a vis insurrection and treason. Especially because Trump absolutely would have split the vote from jail.
fact is Trump has barely seen any consequences at all for his actions, and now he never will, and that's on democrat's and Biden's DOJ in particular. (And yes. Biden could have lit a fire under Garland if he wanted. Not doing your job is grounds for firing, even if Biden can't dictate day to day or specific courses of actions.)
Exactly. "Biggest ever threat to democracy", so big they sat on their hands for four years