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cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/16919445
I sincerely hope that Penn. residents in that survey get the policy on Palestine that they voted for.
this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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This is a shit take.
She lost because she's a woman.
She was never running against Trump. She was running against equality and misogyny. And she lost. In 2024, she lost to misogyny.
Jfc.
Oh God, I'm so sorry, I just realized this post is 6 days old wow.
She lost for a lot of reasons. OP has one of them. You have another. Both are valid and work to partially explain her loss.
But honestly, significantly lower turnout by Dems this cycle seems to be the underlying cause of her loss. Whether that stems from Israel (or her gender, or her unwillingness to distance herself from Biden, or her inability to don the mantle of a populist in an age where populism is ousting governments all over the world, or her campaign's difficulty in countering Republican messaging effectively, or a million other reasons you could invent) is debatable, and probably will be picked apart and analyzed by people far more qualified than I and probably also you. There are studies to be made, data to gather, and so on.
Blaming everything on a single cause based on vibes is fine, rhetorically. And I wish Dems did more of that, because it is effective messaging, and it's certainly true that this country still has a misogyny problem. But if you're interested in understanding and picking apart the actual causes of Harris's loss, then being open minded does help. And the rhetoric can be saved for a forum where it is more likely to piss off a Trump voter.
Over the last years I have watched identity politics breaching the leftist movement. I swear its a tool of the capitalist as its worked so well.
Shiitake 🍄
Blame the Democratic party and Joe Biden. They didn't put anyone serious up during the primaries against him, they held out from replacing Biden until the last minute and then they lumped Harris with his campaign and no time.
Biden should have stood aside last year (as many voices pushed for), and then the party's best and brightest should have been given the chance to be the candidate. It might have been Harris, who knows, but whoever it was would then have had the whole of 2024 across the primaries to establish a profile and narrative and tackle Trump.
And maybe a fresh candidate could have broken through on the most important topic to voters: the economy.
It's wild how for months leading up to the election there were reports and reports on how the economy is doing great. People who pointed out that they weren't seeing it personally were belittled as not understanding the big picture. And now this election was lost because of economy - one side that I guess didn't say too much about what could improve (there was a lot on Harris' site and policies about it, but I guess that was too much for voters). And the other side who said the same thing as before, "going to have a beautiful economy, the greatest ever seen. No one knew it could be so good."
Well, let's do another four years, see what burns down this time.
Nah I'm going to blame 70+ million Americans who chose a racist, sexist felon, fraud, rapist fascist over a black moderate woman.
The 70+ million who voted for trump would have voted him despite anything. They could have leaked the video of trump raping a 12 year old and they'd all still vote for him.
The only voters to blame are the 16 million who voted in 2020 and sat this one out.
No you still blame the people blindly voting for the orange idiot. If he didn't get votes and support he would not have won. You can't just write off his voters as blameless wtf.
Blame them for what? Kamala losing? Cause that was their goal and that's how elections work. I'm not writing them off as blameless entirely but it's not their "fault" that trump won because that's what they were aiming for.
Why did they sit this one out? Whoever's job it was to get them excited about voting and get them to vote failed here... I'm not saying this one was, but if the next election was between Trump and Cheney, I'd probably just stay home too... If that's how 16 million people saw this election, that's on the Dems for not figuring out what would change their minds... Or figuring it out but choosing to ignore it
You think they care?
You and I are the ones dealing with the fallout, not them.
Fuck the people who didn't come out. Period.
That's why I said "the only voters". Of course Kamala is to blame as well and the DNC for stiffing us with a mediocre candidate and Biden for dropping out so late.
I blame the 70ish million who decided the whole voting scene just wasn't for them.
(And the misogyny. Holy shit the misogyny)
The best part is she could’ve even lied to get the votes. It’s not like it’s unprecedented.
the democrat leadership is to blame. i bet they'll run further right with republicans next election cycle. nowadays it seems they dont care about policies anymore, all they know is just running around shouting things like "abortion!" "trump bad".
Seeing that Trump was voted and looking at the utter bullshit that came put of his holes... What makes you think that anything they said was the reason?
I get it, Trump says insane shit. But the undeniably truth is that it doesn't matter, pointing out Trump is bullshiting everyday won't help (but calling out his bullshit is still needed). Democrats need good policies to energize its own base. Joe Biden already has a very low-level approval rating, they need something new, something can resonate with voters, yet Kamala basically ran the campaign like "i'm just like joe biden". (or even worse on things like border).
100%.
And the efforts of foreign influence.
And Americans say where they lived is primarily based on climate change, but then move to the worst areas for climate change. I don't give two shits what people say.
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