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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

to be perfectly clear, this probably wouldn't help much, since we would likely just move to shipping something like hydrogen across the ocean anyway...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Won't someone think of the seamen?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm constantly thinking of seamen

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Capt'n Pugwash and Seaman Stains will both be out of jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah but if I'm not mistaken, emissions from shipping are quite low anyways. It's something like 2-5℅ of all our emissions, so it's pretty low priority.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Idk man 5% sure sounds a hell of a lot better than 0%

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (5 children)

correct me if I'm wrong, but the United States doesn't even have oil refineries that are capable of making gasoline out of American oil? like we need the type of oil that the middle East has, so we're constantly trading oil back and forth even though we have plenty of it

I think I've heard this is true. something about politicians wanting to look environmentalist and therefore preventing the building of any more refineries

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

it's also to do with prices. There is a certain amount of this that is true, but the primary reason is oil prices.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Only butt-munchers will reply to this comment about something vague regarding US gasoline production

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yes but how much of that gasoline was made from American crude oil? America has plenty of refineries, just none of them designed for American oil

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Crude oil us primarily classified based on density and sulphur content. It's all hydrocarbons and a portion of all of it can be turned into gasoline.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

dude. we are not talking about the gasoline. we are talking about the oil being used to make the gasoline. what percentage of the crude oil being refined into American gasoline is American produced crude oil?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The lack of investment in the types of oil refineries to refine US oil domestically isn't as much for optics purposes. But that relative to the amount of investment required to build new refineries to compete with the current foreign ones isn't a good return on investment relative to the up front cost and the existing profits of the current arrangement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the government should at least subsidize a couple so in the event of an apocalypse we can make our own gasoline.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Offhand I believe we have a few that can do light oil, but most of ours wouldn’t want to change over even if offered to do so for free. Rather the reason is the US has a lot of chemical engineers and capital and so is good at refining the more challenging to deal with and cheaper to get heavy oils while selling the easy to refine and therefore more valuable light oil we dig up down in Texas to places that have more primitive refineries.

While we could retrofit all of our our refining capacity to use our oil, it doesn’t make financial sense because your spending a lot of money to switch to an more expensive input, so companies arn’t going to want to do it unless the government forces them to, and the government would only force them to if it wanted to spite everyone else and raise domestic gas prices.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, there's a significant amount of oil infrastructure locally. They've even got a colonialist extension with Canada: crude oil crosses over to be refined and sold back to Canada

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

No, it is true. It is not the quantity of oil infrastructure, but the grades and types they are. The US crude is mostly light sweet crude after the shift to oil shale. The refinery infrastructure was originally built for heavy crude with high sulfur content. Thus the US imports the type of oil our refineries were built to handle, and exports the portion of the oil that is domestically produced, but the wrong type.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now I’m waiting for the news report,

“Green Energy will cost jobs!”

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So what you’re saying is the companies that own those boats will lobby the government so that this never happens? Sweet.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anyone know how much of the oil transported is actually used for plastic, percentage wise?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago
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