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Summary

Ahead of the 2024 election, Generation Z has sparked a trend on TikTok, “canceling out” family members’ votes by voting opposite their Trump-supporting relatives. Many young women post videos showing them voting for Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, contrasting with family members supporting Republican nominee Donald Trump.

Although Gen Z voters lean slightly toward Harris, a significant portion supports Trump. With over 47 million early votes cast, polls show a tight race, especially in key swing states.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago

That's one of the things I like to tell friends or family I know that will say "Voting doesn't matter". I'll usually say something like, "Think of the most vile person on the opposite side. If you vote then you're negating their vote at a minimum. Because you know that extreme person is going to vote every time."

Doesn't always work since some people are stubborn but changed a few people!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Fuck yeah, the young shall rise up to remove their Masters

[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 week ago (6 children)

We as a country need to mentally prepare ourselves to owe an absolutely massssssssssive debt of gratitude to The Women.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Up here in Canada as well. Almost exactly half of men, across all age groups, say they play to vote for the Cons. Last I saw it was 20% of women voting Con. I am incredibly embarrassed at my fellow men.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Saving our dumb collective ass again. As usual in elections at least within my fucking lifetime, women and ethnic minorities prove that they understand the values of America better than the ultra-fragile white conservative men who think they own this place by virtual of sex and race.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

In 2016 it was the other way around, a lot of closeted people swung the vote. Thanks Hilary.

[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Very good way to frame voting to make it obvious it matters.

One person litters, you see a water bottle on the ground. Everybody litters, your town sucks. Tragedy of the commons takes an extra mental thinking to act on in day to day life.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes and/but you might be interested to know these things about the “Tragedy of the Commons”:

Elinor Ostrom, awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2009, fundamentally challenged the “tragedy of the commons” theory, which Garrett Hardin popularized in 1968. Hardin’s theory argued that shared resources—like grazing land or fisheries—inevitably suffer from overuse because each user, acting in self-interest, seeks to maximize personal gain. Without external regulation or privatization, Hardin claimed, such resources would degrade irreparably.

Ostrom’s work provided a different perspective based on extensive field research across diverse communities managing shared resources, such as forests in Nepal and fisheries in Turkey. Through these studies, she found that local groups often developed effective, self-governing systems to sustain and share resources equitably. Ostrom identified eight core principles, such as clear resource boundaries, community-devised rules, local monitoring, and graduated sanctions for rule violations, which contribute to sustainable communal resource management. By documenting these successful cases, she demonstrated that, under certain conditions, communities could avoid the “tragedy” without privatization or top-down control.

Ostrom’s insights reshaped economic thinking by showing that cooperation, rather than competition alone, could lead to sustainable resource use. Her findings emphasize that real-world communities often solve commons problems through trust, local knowledge, and shared governance, challenging the idea that only private ownership or government intervention can manage common resources effectively. Ostrom’s approach has since inspired policies and frameworks for resource management across environmental, urban, and even space governance contexts, as her principles underscore the potential of collective, decentralized solutions to common-pool problems.

Her work offers an empowering view of human capacity for self-organization, contradicting the inevitability of Hardin’s “tragedy” and suggesting new possibilities for addressing global commons issues like climate change and biodiversity loss. This impact has encouraged rethinking in fields ranging from political science to ecology and economics.

Sources:

• Inside Story, “The not-so-tragic commons”

• Resilience, “The Victory of the Commons”

• Space Foundation, “The Commons Solution”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The Tragedy of the Commons is a capitalist myth just like the Myth of Barter.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also Hardin was a white nationalist and pushed his “tragedy of the commons” theory as a justification for eugenics.

So every time someone references his pseudoscience, they’re breathing life back into a dead fascist’s racism. Yaaaaayyy…

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Looking at the captions in the image...

How could you be married to someone who supports Trump if you don't also support Trump. This just doesn't make sense or even seem safe to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Regardless of the election result, there will be a shit-ton of divorces incoming over the next 12 months because of it.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I know someone in this circumstance, and it comes down to exactly one issue: abortion. The spouse is Roman Catholic and cannot support abortion, so despite disagreeing with most of the republican platform, they feel obligated to vote with the party that opposes it. I had the same thing crop up in 2008 with a roommate who was Greek Orthodox and in every way one of the most progressive people I knew, but they voted McCain purely on this one issue out of religious guilt.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 week ago

Abuse.

Religion usually plays a part.

Accepting the fundamental differences in viewpoint and pretending it isn’t there for the sake of kids

Etc.

My partners family comes to mind. Her mother is very liberal, her dad is a weird mix of liberal beliefs polluted by religion. They just don’t talk about it, everyone knows he’s wrong, he knows he’s wrong, he won’t change his viewpoints and his wife isn’t willing to collapse their family over it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

my brother in law is voting trump. ugh.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So is mine.

The funny part? He's a union guy, doesn't understand (despite repeated attempts to show) that Trump is anti-union. I'm sure the key component for him is really just some of that good old fashioned bigotry.

Which is also silly since he's Cuban, and got some Testosterone shots recently (you know - gender affirming care).

He's just clueless and won't change his mind.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

honestly mine is a pretty boy duche who would have completely fitted into frat life if he had went to university. Hes like a wannabe of the folks who might do well under trump (although history has shown even rich people do better under democrats as under republicans they get a larger percentage of a shrinking pie)

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