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What can you get to within a 15-minute walk of your house?

A recent YouGov survey asked Americans what they think they should be able to get to within a 15-minute walk of their house.

Of these choices, I can currently walk to all of them from my apartment, aside from a university (no biggie, I'm not currently studying, although there is a Tafe within walking distance), a hospital, and a sports arena.

How many can you get to with a 15 minute walk from your house?

#fuckcars #walkability #urbanism #UrbanPlanning @fuck_cars #walking

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

As someone in the UK, I already live within a 15 minute walk of most of these.

Is it really that bad over there? If you're not within a quick walk to the shops, or the doctors, or school, tram and bus stops, opticians, dentists, etc, how do you and the kids get anything done?

Who would intentionally move somewhere like that? The first thing we do when looking at moving to a new place is see what services are within walking distance, to get an idea for how worth it living there would be.

If you've got to walk 30+ minutes just to get to the shops? That's an arse ache you don't want.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Im confused about (from the poll)

  • bar.. if this is not walkable you are promoting drunk driving. (even if its not your thing)
  • what do you need to walk to the gas station for? or is this being used also as a corner store?
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Believe it or not, some people don't drink alcohol, and don't go to bars, therefore don't want or need a bar near their house.

And I'm not sure why they would need a gas station in a town designed for people who don't have cars 😆

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I drink alcohol but I rarely go to bars, so it's also not important to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the argument here was that even if you yourself don't drink, if the bar is not within walking distance, you are still pushing others around you who do drink to drive drunk as that will be their only alternative.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The question is if your local government picked a 15 minute walk as a target for amenities, so the idea would be that they would do things to encourage that these things are within a 15 minute walk to all their residents. So saying yes would mean you want the government to step in to encourage there being a bar close to all residents. That sounds incredibly silly to me.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This 15 minute city shit is propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Propaganda for properly designed urban planning and obviously a good idea for people living in such areas - easy access to amenities, entertainment, social gathering, recreation etc.

But some nuts see it as a vast global conspiracy by the WEF to take away their god given right to drive a truck 30 minutes through 4 lanes of traffic just to reach the nearest liquor store.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Not my comment but they might be referring to the idea that it is a ploy to make people get rid of their cars and therefore become less independent.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Do the 32 percent not know what a bus stop is?? Why would you want a bus stop farther than 15 minutes away????

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It keeps the kind of people who use a bus far away from you.

I guess, I'm not American, buses are fine here.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I bet the mentality is: "why would i want to have a bus stop when I always use my car".

As opposed to "it would have beed nice to have a bus stop so that I don't need to use my car"

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Why less people want daycare in walking distance than restaraunt? Even less than fucking gas station.

And who are those 32% who don't want bus stop in 15-minute walk? Or why? Maybe they don't want it so far away and want it in 3-minute walk? If so, then I agree with them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Montreal, I'm a 10 minute walk from the Olympic stadium, so I think I technically have all of those things except a shopping mall within 15 minutes walk. That said, I have everything I might need from a shopping mall within 15 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That said, I have everything I might need from a shopping mall within 15 minutes.

Obviously if you have everything you need from shopping mall within walking distance shopping mall is unlikely to appear. Shopping mall is sympthom of bad city.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I learnt from a, Tom Scott, I think? that malls were originally intended as community hang-outs, before it turned out packing them completely with shops was more profitable.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

@uis @milicent_bystandr The architect you're thinking of is a guy by the name of Victor Gruen.

The short version is that he was a socialist from Austria, who wanted to basically recreate the great walkable streets and plazas of Vienna indoors in Minnesota.

His views on cars, ironically, wouldn't be out of place on a @notjustbikes video: "Suburban business real estate has often been evaluated on the basis of passing automobile traffic. This evaluation overlooks the fact that automobiles do not buy merchandise."

He hated cars, and saw this as an antidote to car-dependent development:

"But Gruen had a grander vision. He wanted to re-create in microcosm the walkable, diverse and liveable town centres he so loved in Vienna.

"Part of his motivation was seeing how reliance on the automobile was affecting cities. In his classic book, Shopping Towns USA, Gruen rails against the development of drive-by shopping centres focused on catering to passing motorists.

"The original plan was for commerce to be broken up by numerous attractions like aviaries, fountains and works of art. The mall itself would be surrounded by residences, offices, medical facilities, schools and everything that made a community.

"The mall was inward-looking, not to keep people focused on spending but to shelter pedestrians from cars and away from their fumes and noise.

"Here’s the first painful irony, then. Rather than developing the new mixed-use centre envisioned by Gruen, the only thing built was the mall and car parks. The grand vision was reduced to a monoculture of big shopping brands surrounded by massive car parks, all accessible only by automobile."

https://theconversation.com/triumph-of-the-mall-how-victor-gruens-grand-urban-vision-became-our-suburban-shopping-reality-172393

So the modern American shopping mall is basically a perversion of Gruen's original walkable town square/main street in a building vision.

#Urbanism #UrbanPlanning #capitalism #cars #malls

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Yeah, absolutely no complaints here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas in Umeå Sweden i fall short of bank office whatever that is..

@fuck_cars

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