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ik that Biden isn't re-running, but Kamala is basically the same from the macro pov
The opposition to Third Parties is not an endorsement of Genocide, but a call for solidarity on other issues. This isn't a "Genocide vs. no genocide" election. There are a lot of other issues on the table and ignoring them over one subject that won't be covered anyway is shortsighted
FPTP will render third party votes useless, and every vote going to a third party instead of one of the two actually realistic candidates will serve as a spoiler. Anyone who explicitly decides against voting for Harris/Walz implicitly decides that they're fine with Trump. If you're in a deep blue state, you might be fine either way. But if you're in a swing state, consider this:
If Trump promised to end the Palestinian Genocide, but all other points of his agenda (labor protections, lgbt rights etc.) were the same, would you vote for Trump instead? Would you fuck over every other bit of progress for that one issue?
Not that it's a choice you'd actually get (even if Trump made that promise, you'd be smarter to not believe him), it's a way to check your priorities. If you'd rather use your protest vote to signal disapproval over the Genocide stance than to affect tax policy, abortion law, LGBT rights, the separation of church and state and basically every piece of civil liberty that the Republicunts have made it clear they want to erase, then you're an idiot at best, a bad faith actor at worst.
Yes, Genocide sucks. The best way to do something about it is to spread awareness, organise protests, make discontent with the issue a matter of public attention. This election won't change it, unfortunately.
This ballot isn't the place for single-issue-votes, or even multi-issue-fringe-votes. If the Overton Window can be yanked back to the left and the Christofascists left behind, to the point that the current center becomes the right fringe and there is actual space on the left, then the time will have come for actually progressive issues, like fixing the election system. But for that, the people trying to eliminate Democracy entirely need to go first.
Vote for the things that are on the agenda, not the things that aren't.
Anyone who explicitly decides against voting for Harris/Walz implicitly decides that they're fine with Trump.
And anyone who explicitly decides voting for Harris/Walz explicitly decides they are fine with genocide irrespective of Trump.
If Trump promised to end the Palestinian Genocide, but all other points of his agenda (labor protections, lgbt rights etc.) were the same, would you vote for Trump instead? Would you fuck over every other bit of progress for that one issue?
In a fantasy world where he would actually do it, yes? So you're saying you are okay with max libertarianism in your own county even if that means ethnically cleansing an innocent population in another? That's a very backwards understanding of liberty and human rights.
Also saying "that one issue" when we're talking about a literal genocide is super rich. Would you have said the same thing about the Holocaust? "I know this Hitler guy really hates minorities but look at how much he loves doggos and what amazing things he's doing for the German economy!"
If the Overton Window can be yanked back to the left and the Christofascists left behind
You see voting for a party that has vowed unwavering support for an oppressor to exterminate a native population as a move to the left? You'd rather vote for Librofascists than Christofascists and that's your choice - I'd rather not vote for fascists at all.
Just don't blame voters that draw a hard line at genocide if the Dems lose, rather ask why they are willing to throw an election by not taking a hard stance against the literal worst crime against humanity.
I don't know what to think about people claiming to be LGBT+ allies who would even remotely entertain not voting Harris.. as the risk to the people they say they want to protect is domestic as well. This is a palestinians lose or everyone lose waaaayyyyy worse kinda deal .. so yeah.. apparently ideals don't matter that much.
I'm sorry but if you believe you can only be gay if brown people get genocided you're not gay and you just want to kill children.
If someone is willing to genocide anyone, then they'll come for you eventually too. Nazis didn't start their genocide with Jews.
Stick your strawman. Brown people dying is not a precondition.. I did not imply that at all. It's that more people will suffer and die if trump is not defeated. It's like saying Hitlers opponent was also bad.. yeah maybe.. but he's not advocating fascism.
Genocide and support for genocide is fascism. Harris is advocating for fascism.
If they're willing to fully fund the elimination of Palestinians, they wont stop when they are gone. You might not be next on the list, but you're on the list, we all are under a genocidal government.
No one is saying how dare you vote for trump to people voicing concerns. People are saying that to individuals willingly not voting, voting for trump in “protest,” or voting third party in “protest”
There's no protest, though. Third parties are the only logical option for anyone with any amount of humanity left in them. Only fascists would vote for genocide, only selfish fascists would vote for genocide on the thought that if they don't they'll get genocided as punishment.
Sure broski, vote third party, help trump. Other elections I don’t care, but this one has a literal nazi running and a lady who is criticized for not doing enough to stop Israel. So naturally help the nazi
You people have said this exact nonsense since Reagan.
It's always the next election that you might get to vote for something, instead of against something.
No, child, I'm not voting for genocide. Your idealized fantasy land you call a world view isn't valid. There are no good people in either the democratic or Republican parties. They are all literally genocidal fascists. No exaggeration. They are actively commiting genocide.
Your vote for either of those parties is to normalize and consent to that genocide as well as any other that doesn't affect you. That is quite literally, again not exaggerating, a Nazi belief. That genocide needs to happen, because otherwise you'll be a victim of genocide. That is literally the line used by the Nazis to justify killing the Jews before the Jews kill them.
Now if I'm wrong and vote third party and that third party wins, I have not voted for genocide and we at least entirely withdraw from the middle east.
If that third party does not win or I'm not wrong and they do win, genocide happens that I have stated my explicit disapproval of, I continue to join protests, work in my mutual aid group, and work to make the world better against the government who wanrs to make it worse until im i evitably killed by either the trump or harris governments.
If trump wins, the safety of people in my family and of my friends is in danger. I have come to this conclusion by what he and his associates have actually said and written. Not some random scare tactic. This is not a moral handwringing. They are going to harm my folks right here, as they have gleefully said.
Do we like ‘lesser evil?’ No. But I have unfortunately not been wrong about these horrible people since I began researching the alt right trend in 2014. Making sure they don’t have power again is far more important than a protest vote.
The likelihood you’d get killed by a Harris government is by FAR less than with a Trump govt, and if you don’t see that you are fearfully delusional, and I am not saying that as a personal attack, but as a genuine concern.
So we are clear, I am against this farce of a war in the mid-east, against the surveillance state we are building, for ranked choice voting, strongly for healthcare for all, for housing first, and am a part of the local mutual aid groups.
And Reagan really started this slide, so not terribly useful to call that crying wolf.
literally the meme rn 💀
