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They're in their 60's, finally convinced them.

They say things like "This is the same..."

and I'm like

"Ya because that's Firefox, the only program you use..."

"What was Windows even doing for us?"

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

As a retired software dev, for me Windows is simply a longtime habit enforced by past work environments. I did use Linux for over a year on my main PC but went back to Windows so I could keep using my old copy of Visual Studio. My deeply conditioned shortcut keystrokes didn't work in VSCode - in fact, why did they change so much of the UI? But now that I'm used to VSCode, which I only use for hobby coding anyway, there's no excuse and I intend to go back to Linux by year end.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What distro did you get them on?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Mine too didnd't notice. Non-tech savvy people don't even know what an Internet browser is :)

[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 day ago (6 children)

linux has 2 really good target audiences people using it as a near chrome book like experience, and ultra advanced users who want fine control of the system.

its everyone else in the middle that needs to play how much do i have to tweak in order to do what I want.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Speaking of a chromebook experience, installing ChromeOS Flex on my wife's slow, outdated Surface Pro made it sleek and fast again. Can you suggest a Linux distro that would be similar on old laptops?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I usually use debian with x on old laptops but I've heard good things about gallium being pretty light

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Yeah my grandma uses it without any problems. I would never recommend it to my sister or mom but i know my grandma is completely happy with her basically chromebook.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Moving from Windows as an intermediate user was the worst. I hated Linux for like a year. I knew just enough quirks about Windows to get 95% of what I wanted, 95% of the time, and on Linux I had to start from scratch.

Now of course I love I made the switch, as my Linux proficiency let me customize the heck out of everything, but damn, that first year...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

I wish instead of complaining to people that they didn’t read the docs or whatever that linux devs would scour the internet for these criticisms (like when specifics are provided) and then develop solutions for them.

Yeah, people are shitting on your product because it’s not obvious. Make it more obvious!

(Thankfully this is starting to happen…)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If either of my parents could use a computer it would run linux.

But then I have to do all of their online tasks anyway, so technically they are using linux.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd like to interject for a moment, what you're referring to as Linux is actually gnu/linux/churbleyimyam

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I got my parents in their 70s to use Ubuntu for a few years now. All they use is a web browser and word processing application for .docx files. They used MS Word for years and I found Only Office has a similar UI and opens word docs.

At one point I gave them an older laptop running windows again and they hated it. They wanted Linux back.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Libreoffice has an option for a ribbon user interface. It makes it nearly identical to Microsoft's stuff that I grew up on.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

If it was for me, I would support a FOSS alternative but, parents didn't enjoy the Libreoffice experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I tried to find this, but had big issues finding where to toggle this. I find the default UI very cluttered and confusing.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Onlyoffice is a near clone of MS office though, so there's basically no friction in adopting it unless you're heavily into advanced Excel features.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

From my experience, OnlyOffice provides better compatability with MS Office-files (that is, more so than LibreOffice). However, having used Powerpoint quite a lot in my professional life, and using OnlyOffice Presentation to make a slide deck now, that is an area where I unfortunately find it severely lacking. There's also the issue about their license - I am not all that familiar with it, but apparently they are not as free and open as they claim to be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What ever happened to Open Office? That used to be the defacto replacement to Microsoft Office. I haven't used office tools on a personal computer in over a decade though, so I'm very out of the loop there.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

LibreOffice is as far as I know a continuation of OpenOffice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thanks. Can that still be installed on Windows systems?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Last time I tried convincing em to install Linux, they said "I'm on it" to end up ghosting me after like I was a weird, random beggar they met on the street.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If you install something like Ubuntu for them, they won't bother switching back to windows.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Usually the reaction you'll get trying to convince someone to use an operating system when they don't know or care what an operating system is

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Do you mean the Internet? I use Bing."

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"What was Windows even doing for us?"

Providing minimal malware protection while being actual malware?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can’t believe Microsoft is doing EEE on malware

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Great! I've got my Dad on it, just need to get my mom off of her iPad now

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

iPads are solid devices. They're expensive yeah but at least it's not a fucking Windows tablet. And if you need something just downright idiot proof Apple has got your back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Somehow iOS confused my technology illiterate mother, but she knows how to use Android.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I had my mom on Ubuntu for most of the 2010's, and then the macbook it was on had catastrophic hard drive failure around the pandemic, but then I was like, you don't work anymore, why exactly do you NEED a computer to begin with? So now she literally doesn't have a computer and just lives mobile/tablet OS life, which in a nonprofessional context seems perfectly serviceable these days.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

This has been my life for years. Now if you put a modern windows computer in front of me I feel like I'm 90. nothing works how I expect or is where I expect and just get confused and angry and start complaining about how in my day things were different and better.

I miss win7

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Beyond my normal use case, I still think there are some Internet things that are "big screen" tasks. Too many websites still have poorly optimized mobile interferfaces.

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