In the face of death, the occupiers show their true essence. They throw their helmets hysterically, fight back with automatic weapons, try to escape, but get what they deserve. A forest of EW antennas on the back of one of the occupiers did not help to escape from the "penal sanctions" of the soldiers of the "Rarog" Battalion of the 24th OMBr.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been wondering, do the Russians also have these types of suicide drones, and if so, do they also use them this way on individual/pairs of soldiers? I know this sub mostly shows Ukrainian videos. Or do they not engage in drone warfare as much with these small quadcopters? Most videos show Russian footsoldiers, vehicles and bigger fixed wing drones.

Also, for the armchair experts here, what are the chances of surviving something like this? Sounds like a dumb question, but is it possible some percent of them are duds/don't detonate after impact? I'm not sure if the static at the end of the clips is added later, but can we assume if the feed cuts out, it has exploded?

I know nothing about the technology involved, but it seems like a fairly low barrier to entry to me. It makes me wonder if this kind of attack will be used in terrorist attacks in the next years/decades. Doesn't seem like there's not much one could do against it in civilian areas.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes, they produce them about equally, but issues with corruption and bureaucracy in Russia hamper their use.

Russia's offensive strategy is to use constant "meat assaults" to gain ground via attrition. The most efficient way to defend against that is with cheap FPV drones. The net effect is drone videos of hundreds of Russian troops dying per day.

Anything under 5kg that goes burns or goes boom has been attached to an FPV drone at this point. The most effective against infantry are the 3D printed ones that use ball bearings.

They do sometimes get caught on a net, but some brands have remote triggers. Magyar uses them a lot in his videos.

These have been used in terror attacks for some time, but it's becoming far easier and cheaper. They even sell the grenade dropping mechanism on Amazon.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Huh, interesting. The disadvantages of the centralised vs distributed approach really makes sense here.

The Russian tactics seem like total madness. Might have worked in WWII still but looking at the videos in this community, surely they will eventually have to run out of vehicles and willing men (if they haven't run out of the latter already).

Ball bearings, Jesus.

I wasn't aware they had been used in terror attacks, but I saw an article about an attempted assassination of Maduro on the site you linked.

I'll take your word on that Amazon link, disturbing shit.

Are these attacks on single soldiers tactically relevant too, or is it mainly intended as a psychological weapon, knowing that these things could hunt you down and you basically can't do anything against it? I'm not Russian, or a soldier, or in Ukraine but I'm scared of these things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

A little from column A, a little from column B.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

In the face of death, the occupiers show their true essence. They throw their helmets hysterically, fight back with automatic weapons, try to escape, but get what they deserve.

The true essence being... afraid of dying? I'd probably react the same.

Whether each individual deserves this is questionable. Though this doesn't mean I don't approve of the Ukrainian measures, in fact I support these fully,

However, as I'm not Ukrainian, my view on the matter is naturally different from someone's who is currently being invaded. So I do get the sentiment. Just that I don't want to celebrate it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

To everyone thinking this is cool because it's about enemy soldiers:

I get it, they're the enemy and we HAVE to kill them. It is NOT cool, though.

It's a guarantee that next up this will be innocent civilians. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if Israel isn't already using these on Palestinian men, women and children. These videos are a horror show.

A few years back I saw this video made by some AI experts about how AI would be abused and it was basically these drones but with AI and facial recognition taking out students in a swarm because they were political opponents. It was a nightmarish scenario

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

@phoenixz
1:1 is unheard of in urban warfare. It would have been even less if Hamas didn't hide behind children and women while launching attacks from schools and hospitals. All you terrorist apologists though just spout hamas propaganda (lies) without even checking the facts. Shame on you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

The PTSD soldiers will have for the rest of their lives about a whirring motor…

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Naming your suicide drone “Shrike” is metal af

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Smh they didn't even dodge roll

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Didn't practice iframes enough.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm surprised only one guy tried to shoot it. Are they that low on ammo?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I mean honestly, I would not consider it because drones are tiny and quick. I don't think I'd be able to shoot one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Depends on what you are shooting with. A standard military rifle would be a difficult shot. A standard hunting shotgun has a good chance - though a shotgun doesn't have much range.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I hate the "shotguns don't have range" thing. Sure, they're usually less than a rifle, but they're pretty accurate at long ranges, even when not using slugs. When you use slugs then they're competitive with a rifle with a lot more force.

Shotguns don't work like video games. They're not only useful for 2m or less. This article says about 70m for buckshot should be accurate, and 180m for some slugs, and most engagements are within 100m and a large majority within 200m.

For shotguns, it's all about selecting the right shell for the target. I wouldn't be that surprised if some militaries start equipping one person per element at least with a shotgun, and giving them a mix of something like birdshot for drones and slugs or buckshot for enemy combatants. It'd add some small amount of extra strain on logistics since they can't use the same ammo, but I could see it being incredibly useful.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You are mistaking accuracy for lethal range. A lucky shot with buckshot could hit a human at 150m, but the shot will bounce right off their tshirt. A lucky shot with an infantry rifle could hit that human at 3km and kill them. Both of the above shots are luck - nobody can do that intentionally no matter how much training they have. Both of those are about as far as it is possible to reach with the respective gun (pointing up at a 45 degree angle)

If you want to talk about accuracy in the hands of someone well trained, your article is correct. This is well training - you won't get that much training during basic training. That same training on an infantry rifle would get 800m with confidence (but if you are going to train someone that well you give them a more powerful gun so they can get 2000m).

I agree video games get this wrong all the time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For sure regular buckshot isn't what you'd want to use, but I don't know if there's a term for a custom shot designed to penetrate light armor on a person but still isn't a slug. Kevlarshot? Slugs are probably what would be used for anti-personnel though, for the reason you mentioned. Birdshot would still be useful for anti-drone though, since they need to be lightly armored to fly more easily. If you force them to armor it then that costs payload. It definitely seems like something that should be being considered in this conflict.

I know the US uses shotguns for breaching, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they also carried some Birdshot with them in the future. I don't know Ukraine already carries shotguns. I haven't seen any so I don't think they do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think you can custom design shot in a useful way. At least I can't think of any way to impart a spin on shot which is what you want to get range and accuracy. I'm also not sure if that would be a good idea - short range is often an advantage - if you miss you don't kill someone on your side you cannot see.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well can't outrun it and you can't take the ammo with you after you die.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But depending on direction your fired ammo can fall on someone else on your side and now not only are you dead but you killed someone else via friendly fire.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

You have to be extraordinarily unlucky to be hit by a wild shot at range. Unless there's someone right behind the drone it's not going to matter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well if I was forced to fight like these poor bastards likely where then I doubt that would be a concern.

Also you are very much underestimating the ballistic properties of those rifles. At such an angle those rounds are not landing within a km of this fight.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you would be even less likely to outrun or juke one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is true, but I feel my chances would be smaller if I were fucking around with grabbing my gun from my back first

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you are in an active combat zone, your gun shouldn't be on your back :) unless you are on base but none of these looked like they were. Unless you are talking about switching to a shotgun like some people were mentioning.

Either way this is definitely a new dynamic to modern warfare.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah that's fair. Good thing I'm not in the army I guess haha. I wouldn't be a good fit anyways >.<

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