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While some contractors dismiss the plan as political rhetoric, many say they can’t afford to lose more people from an aging, immigrant-dependent workforce still short of nearly 400,000 people.

Both presidential candidates promise to build more homes. One promises to deport hundreds of thousands of people who build them.

Former President Donald Trump's pledge to "launch the largest deportation operation in the history of our country" would hamstring construction firms already facing labor shortages and push record home prices higher, say industry leaders, contractors and economists.

"It would be detrimental to the construction industry and our labor supply and exacerbate our housing affordability problems," said Jim Tobin, CEO of the National Association of Home Builders. The trade group considers foreign-born workers, regardless of legal status, "a vital and flexible source of labor" to builders, estimating they fill 30% of trade jobs like carpentry, plastering, masonry and electrical roles.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Translation: Builders would rather go broke than pay anyone a living wage.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The ONY REASON why immigrant labour is needed is because too much of the profits flow to the Parasite Class at the top.

It used to be that America could build affordable family homes for decent-sized families using well-paid American citizens. This was possible because those Americans were actually paid well enough to afford homes of their own; most of the value of their labour actually came back to them. Plus, most building materials weren’t beset by Greedflation and the need to keep obscene amounts of wealth flowing into pockets that were already overstuffed without more wealth than the person could spend in 100 lifetimes.

America could return to that time, where even the lowest-paid workers make enough to be within a stone’s throw of affording their own home. All it takes is a political leader willing to do the politically painful job of taxing the fuck out of the Parasite Class - including treating any loans taken out using stocks as collateral as “income” to be taxed, regardless of the destination of those funds.

That, plus a metric arseload of other things such as making corporate ownership of homes illegal and making “investor ownership” of homes beyond about 3-5 homes similarly illegal. Because not only do these parasites suck up the supply of homes, preventing renters from getting off the rental market, but they are also the primary players jacking up rents to unaffordable levels, seeking to squeeze every possible dollar out of hard-working Americans. Let these parasites find a real job if they want to continue earning money.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's a problem across all types of business.

If you are cutting wages or laying off people, there is less overall ability to pay for things. You're basically cutting your customers ability to pay.

Even if your employees aren't your target market, they probably buy stuff from the people who are your customers.

 

This psychotic race to the bottom among business owners is just shooting yourself in the foot with extra steps.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Almost all trump related policies will drive up costs for the consumer. He's only worried about lining the pockets of his rich friends, not making daily life for the average family more affordable

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We should be building apartments, stop building unscalable housing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Orrrr how about everyone has the freedom to live in the dwelling of their choice that they can afford .

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Sure, if you stop externalizing all the costs that let them afford it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Everything to maximize profits. and one should examine the US agricultural sector that relies heavily on cheap illegal labor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you want an economy where every citizen has a chance to be middle class, you have to find some other source of labor to do working class jobs. That's why we shouldn't even want American citizens to do these jobs. Bring in immigrants that get paid well relative to where they came from to do that stuff and send our citizens to school and do middle class work. It's a win-win for all involved.

That's not even mentioning our problem with an aging population that requires immigration to sustain social programs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If you want an economy where every citizen has a chance to be middle class, you have to find some other source of labor to do working class jobs.

Or labour jobs could pay middle class wages, like they did a couple of generations ago.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, but it's still difficult manual labor. Not work I'd want for myself or my hypothetical children.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (6 children)

This is proof they don't understand the endgame here. The only (legal) type of slavery left in the United States is prisoner labour. It is not a coincidence that the right wants to make so many things criminal. It's also not a coincidence they want to keep poor people desperate because it makes them more likely to commit crime. It's not a coincidence they support minimum sentences.

More crime, more free labour, more for profit prisons selling services.....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is exactly what I've been thinking lately. And on top of already existing laws, make new ones that criminalize currently normal things. Hell, the South enacted new laws after slavery ended and only applied them against Black Americans. Why stop there, why not increase penalties for certain crimes from misdemeanors to felonies and make 3 felony convictions mean a life sentence?

The only part I disagree with is the for profit prisons part. 8% of prisoners are in private prisons which is 8% too many, but 92% are in publicly funded and operated prisons. And those publicly operated prisons sell the services of their trapped slave labor for so many more things than stamping license plates or road work. Not only do they fight fires and clean up after natural disasters, they also make kit (armor, helmets) for the armed forces, they pick crops, they manufacture white goods (washing machines, refrigerators)(I can't find a link specifically mentioning appliances and I'll update this it I find one), and so much more. Shoot, some cities' budgets would be blown up if not for the availability of publicly held prison slaves.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Well if they can keep income inequality growing, there’s a big pool of wage slaves to draw from with much better optics.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

during the 2016 election cycle, the national association of home builders pac gave $361,500 to democrat campaigns and $1,820,000 to republicans (83.4%).

for the current election (reported so far), they are even more unbalanced at 85.9% republican.

^source

remind me again, mr tobin, which political party wants to deport your 'vital' workers?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Pretty much.

I walked by a construction site when I lived in California, I heard everyone speaking Spanish.

I walk by a construction site now that I live in Indiana and I hear... everyone speaking Spanish.

I'm guessing that at least some of them aren't citizens.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Anytime you come across someone shitting on immigration ask them who built their house.

I've been saying this for years, the American dream is subsidized by cheap labor from South of the border. Without them we would be doing far worse

Not to mention illegal immigrants are half as likely to commit crime as American citizens

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

The right wing listened to Milton Friedman talk about illegal immigration and went 'yeah!', missing the point entirely.

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