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A third of Americans agree with Trump that immigrants ‘poison the blood’ of US (www.theguardian.com)

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13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.

What the actual fuck?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I searched for the actual question text and found:

Q19a. The immigrants entering the country illegally today are poisoning the blood of our country.

The split was 14% completely agreed and 20% mostly agreed.

I'm not as surprised by the results as the headline would have suggested because of the use of the word illegally. It biases the question negatively.

The 20% who mostly agreed may have agreed with some negative connotation surrounding illegal immigration while ignoring the racism of "poisoning the blood." In other words, if I put myself in the shoes of someone who feels strongly about securing the border, I could understand how those respondents would lean towards agree simply because of the use of the word "illegal."

To further support this interpretation: In the same survey, more than 40% of respondents favor or strongly favor building a wall along the US-Mexico border.

Maybe I'm just optimistic that only around an eighth of the country is completely crazy and that is just a less clickbaity title.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, seeing as 1/3 of Americans are brainwashed by mass media into following whatever hype train is set forth by the rich, I can see that. If their favorite corporate owned and ran "news" told them they didn't need to eat, they would stop eating.

America is home to racist morons, has been since July 4th, 1776. Most of the Founding Fathers owned slaves, and the Senate and Electoral College were established to ease the slave owners/states that their "property" would remain theirs.

We've been a nation of hypocritical xenophobes who taught freedom and liberty while giving none of it to the majority, and every time we try to fix that they double down and make things worse. Not a single time has the US Government (or any government for that matter, but that's more a "whatabout" in this topic) given people what they wanted freely, and peacefully.

If we wanted to get rid of brain dead morons, we would solved it in the Civil War and Reconstitution. Second chance was in the 1960s when we were breaking down the barriers. Instead we still placated to the racists because we didn't want to be too mean to the racist, sexist morons who started the mess in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

So a third of the country are Nazis.

Not racists, not misinformed, not uneducated, but actual Nazis.

In ~20 days, the most powerful and dangerous country on earth may well elect a party of Nazis to rule them.

God help us all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Any issue any position, you can get 25% to agree. Another 5% is rounding error. Another 3% you get from trolls.

Just like that, you can get 1/3 support for anything you want and clickbait your way to victory!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Says the country that is 99% immigrant blood

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Remember that a horrifying number of people, especially conservatives, are invaluable of caring about - or even noticing - any problem that doesn't personally impact themselves.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah the non immigrant blood is the one they spilled

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which immigrants? They said that about Italians, then Irish. Seems the new guys on the block are always the bad guys until they aren't.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Elon Musk is an immigrant. Let's start there

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Literally African-American.

Can we bring back lynching for a day? Just for him?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Lynching? Because he's technically African-American? Wow dude.

I agree with ending the rich and nationalizing their fortunes, but that's a bad joke.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No?

Wtf.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

No no. Just for him. There's a special place in hell for him and his clique, and the more painful way to deliver him there the better.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A minority of voters. The stupid end of the intelligence bell curve.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The poor end of the for profit education industry

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Nope just stupid. No amount of education can make a stupid person smart.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

When my Jewish roommate told his parents he was dating a gentile they told him he was "thinning the blood"

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You're all immigrants you idiots.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

i live in a small town full of old people who incessantly whine about people "moving here and trying to change things" from other parts of the country. while sitting on stolen cherokee land.

among americans there is this weird fucked up notion that we are, and always were, entitled to this land, and no one else is allowed on it. including the people who were living here first. it's been passed down through generations since the first colonists and still remains, even among democrats. so we hate "other," but we especially hate them when they move into town. and god fucking forbid they ever speak anything but 'murican

for context, my town still has a confederate statue because the usual "bUt MuH hIsToReEeEeEeEs"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nuh uh. I was born here. My parents were born here. (/s, of course)

Let's not go back any further than that because it hurts the argument.

For context, I am 50% Italian, 25% French, 12.5% Irish, and 12.5% English. At least going off what my parents had told me. I never did a DNA test or anything.

It's been barely 60 years since racism against Italian- and Irish-American individuals really eased up. All based on xenophobia and an anti-Catholic belief. Before that, they may as well have been Black. Or worse, Japanese.

Tons of people alive today that experienced it first hand. Did all the lead in the paint and gasoline make them forget all about it?

Even still today we have to tiptoe around ideas like renaming Columbus Day. On the one hand, he was a massive piece of shit. On the other hand, it's morphed into the only holiday celebrating Italian-American heritage. I very much agree with the former, but if we are gonna go all-out on St. Patrick's Day, Italians should have a day too.

Maybe we could make a bigger deal out of St. Joseph. I could really go for a zeppole right about now, but that's really all I know of the day. It's a day for a zeppole.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

We are indeed, and...we are indeed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who did they poll? How was the poll conducted? If it's a phone poll you're going to get old people, no one younger than 40 is going to do a phone poll. And most old people are conservatives. When it comes to polls, it's very easy to manipulate the results either in how it's done or how the results are interpreted.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

If only there were some sort of article you could click on and read which would answer these questions for you. Maybe with a link directly to that poll.

Alas...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A third of Americans are xenophobic bigots. Got it.

Meanwhile they proudly exclaim their great great great great grand daddy came in on the Mayflower.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

They also love to claim that they had a great-grandmother who was "full-blooded Cherokee" (it's almost always Cherokee) and if you check their DNA, nope. All European.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that. What the actual fuck?

No surprise? People have nuanced views, different opinions, from left to center to right, even hardcore racist ones... and vote Democrats. Just as you could find conservatives who do not agree with the statement.

The statement is so vague and loaded and can be agreed or disagreed with from all kinds of people.

Edit: And yes it's quite ironic(?) that so many people agree with this - in a country where people unironically track that they're 12% German, or 20% Irish, or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

As a German, knowing what happened in Nazi Germany and what Hitler’s beliefs and actions were at that time, this “rhetoric” is beyond troubling and disturbing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People forget very quickly. Just look at what's happening in Germany and Austria and the Netherlands and France and Italy. It's like everyone's ignoring history.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, and people who forget history are destined to repeat it. It’s sad to hear some people in Germany wanting to “get over” our history…

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

America's entire Capitalist model is based on 3-month cycles of amnesia. It is designed to forget. Business could be run successful, profitable, and non-asshole, but the hunt for the next quarterly positive shareholder report by design blinds them permanently from comprehending history.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't have to be German. Just slightly educated.

Unfortunately, it's specifically poorly educated people that Trump appeals to. He says so himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You’re right. I just meant that with the background of our history, that it’s something that wasn’t just said, but actually happened, it feels more concerning.

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