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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

Holy shit these comments...

Guys, I think you have over-saturated your target forum. Too many on the same site, you gotta tell the higher ups to spread it around more so it's not so obvious.

Edit: Just for folks who may not understand: Harris has to walk a fine rhetorical line before the election. The reality is, if she comes out strongly about Israel/Palestine in any way whatsoever, she will lose. People here can't seem to grasp this fact. Maybe they don't live in the US and understand the political/social climate here? Or perhaps they're just too young?

She will lose, and Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to expand his ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

I wish I knew how Harris actually feels about the situation, and I believe her reticence to support Israel in the way Biden has is a good sign. But no, I wish I knew what she's going to do; all I know is that it's far better than the only other possible alternative. Anyone who's gonna say 'der how you know that,' is disingenuous as fuck. You know why. I'm not going to explain that shit again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The issue is that people fundamentally don't understand what power they actually have in this election. People are tired of a two-party dichotomy, and that is understandable, but the assignment in three weeks is to decide between Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. One of those two people will become president for the next 4 years. There are no alternatives, even if there are technically other parties on the ballot, if you are actually hoping to influence the results of the election in your favor, you absolutely need to choose between one of the two ruling parties.

A growing number of leftists have decided that, even in the absence of any election reform that would actually break the two-party system, they want to protest against it, either by voting for inviable third party spoilers, or not voting at all.

All I can see is that people are either so stupid, they don't understand the assignment, or they are so stupid they can't figure out whether Trump or Harris is the lesser evil. Either way, anyone vocally demanding that people don't for Harris is either stupid (if they consider themselves on the left), or evil (if they are actually rooting for Trump).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

"1000 year conflict"

Year of Israel's creation: 1948

Start of Gaza genocide: 2023

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All you're doing here is showing you know nothing about what's been going on in the middle east.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Welcome to Lemmy. Everyone here is convinced they know the solution to this conflict, mostly because they don't know anything about this conflict short of what they learned on social media in the past year.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

But what about the war between Ishmeal and Issac in the Bible? Oh wait, there wasn't any...

No one ever says deport the Latin people out of France (France and Britain spoke Celtic languages until 1500 years ago - Welsh being a direct descendent of those languages). But when it comes to the Middle East, all of them appearantly came from one ancestor 200 years ago. The media is treating Palestinians with so much illogical contempt.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Lmao genocide is not a “highly complex geopolitical issue”

It is neocolonialism that has been going on for a while (not 1000 years??) and is now ramping up to full on blatant murder, genocide, and devastation for the Palestinian peoples.

I can think of something US govt can do literally right now to help; STOP GIVING ISRAEL FUCKING WEAPONS!

But then the poor investors of aero/defense industrial complex will whine and complain that their Raytheon stock went down 5% ☹️. Can’t have that now can we

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah I'm perfectly fine with not being on the same side as people openly embracing Dick Cheney and weird people can't figure out how being active in genocide is bad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (13 children)

"I'm not going to support Dick Cheney, so I'm going to help the guy even Dick Cheney thinks takes things too far."

And disingenuous people "can't figure out" how not stopping the current weapons sales is still better than giving Israel even more and better weapons and telling them to wipe the place out.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This breaks rule 2. "No misinformation" Israel is not a 1000 years old it is less than 100 years old

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nobody said that the state of Israel has been around for 1,000 years, they're saying conflict over the land of Israel (Southern Levant) has existed for 1,000 years. Actually, it's more like 3,000 years.

If your chronology of events here starts in 1948, you're omitting a shitload of context as to why rights over this region are so contested.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh ok so this conflict started 1000 years ago?

You telling me no one contested that land before that? What year did this conflict start oh wise one? But remember if it's a lot more than 1000 years or a lot less than this post is still misinformation 😘

What a silly take.

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