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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Please look up Brett Mcgurk before you praise Biden and Kamala's stance on Israel. Literally following Bush era policies in the Middle East.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (14 children)

I don’t know who is driving the Gaza protest rhetoric. It’s a question that should be answered. Because the absolute anti-Democrats narrative while simultaneously getting extraordinarily butthurt if anyone points out the Trump/Republican stance (and the fact it’s Congress that votes the Israeli aid) is indicative of foreign-based propaganda that cares NOT AT ALL about Gaza. It’s about getting Trump re-elected. Either that or the people posting here and across social media calling this war a genocide are just plain stupid or really, really feel self-fulfilled by their own anger.

You wanna complain about an actual genocide, look up what’s happening in Sudan as we speak.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago

Ding ding ding. It's definitely troll farms. It'll disappear the second the election is over. Majority of people will go back to not caring about Palestinians again. Which sucks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

American blaming Russia for Trump. Trump is your own creation, deal with it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Actual genocode as in "what is happening in Gaza is not genocide? This place really lives up to its reputation.

But if you really want to go there, Biden recently named the perpetrators of the genocide in Sudan (The UAE) as a major defense partner to ship them advanced weapons.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly I think a majority of it is just basic brain-rot stupidity. I went through this heartbreak already when Covid hit and I saw the scale of people's brainlessness on full display.

The right is excessively stupid, but even people who think they're on the left have a huge problem with mental faculties. I'm sure there are Russians capitalizing on it, but people on the left are really, really vulnerable to a specific set of emotional triggers and talking points and it doesn't take much to make a whole ass mob of people start screaming how they can't let Harris into office because... and I'm being dead serious, the latest "controversy" is because she promises a cabinet position to a republican, or an advisory board that has republicans.

Literally, one of the most common fixtures of politics, and there are leftists seething and screaming that she's going to "allow them in."

Like it's the fucking Thing, and anything a republican touches will become like them. Or that the White House is a tiny little clubhouse with a secret handshake, or that politics is like a literal combat zone. I just can't wrap my head around how dense people claiming to be on my side are.

So yeah, it's no surprise that for a very real, and very complicated issue like Israel, people are going to behave like absolute primates.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago

Anybody who wants Trump to win. Which likely includes Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We all know who is.

It's basically the right whingers

It all started at the same time and seemed fairly coordinated with right wing media

You know it's right wing bullocks, because the people don't care that Trump is raping women and breaking laws on a daily basis. But a country I guarantee 90% of them couldn't find on a map apparently should determine the next election (forget the strong evidence Trump tried to start a civil war and plans a dictatorship)

It's an anomaly. If it feels weird, it's propaganda.

Kamala is even trying to push for a ceasefire. So it's not even a valid argument at this point.

Right wingers think it is because they are used to Trumps tantrums world leaders ignored and his sabotaging of relationships with allies.

He even had one of his late night hissy fits with Australia's ex prime Minister and tried to force him to stop being an international delegate . That's not normal, and it's not diplomacy.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There was no massive Jewish/Muslim conflict for a 1000 years in the region. The biggest massacre in the region against the Jews was probably the Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099, albiet exact numbers are not available. The crusaders killed everyone in the city with a death toll as low as 3000 to as high as 70000. This includes all Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

When I tried to look at the pogroms done against Jews in the Levant the history is actually remarkably scant. While they did happen, my impression based on just reading the wiki article was that they were caught up in larger conflicts in the region and it wasn't a deliberate targetting in the same way the Tsar's cossacks targetted Jews. And in all those cases the dominant power always came to their rescue and compensated them for the damages done by their persecutors. Also it appears that the worst perps weren't Muslims, but Druze (who are not Muslims).

In short, Trump is not only highly dishonest, but also a worthless shitbag who has been struggling his entire life to enshittify the world we all live in. He is worse than Bezos or Zuckerberg, because at least Amazon is a decent shopping platform, and Zuckerberg's facebook helped many people (myself included) to reconnect with childhood friends that I thought I would never speak to again).

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Holy shit these comments...

Guys, I think you have over-saturated your target forum. Too many on the same site, you gotta tell the higher ups to spread it around more so it's not so obvious.

Edit: Just for folks who may not understand: Harris has to walk a fine rhetorical line before the election. The reality is, if she comes out strongly about Israel/Palestine in any way whatsoever, she will lose. People here can't seem to grasp this fact. Maybe they don't live in the US and understand the political/social climate here? Or perhaps they're just too young?

She will lose, and Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to expand his ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

I wish I knew how Harris actually feels about the situation, and I believe her reticence to support Israel in the way Biden has is a good sign. But no, I wish I knew what she's going to do; all I know is that it's far better than the only other possible alternative. Anyone who's gonna say 'der how you know that,' is disingenuous as fuck. You know why. I'm not going to explain that shit again.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Except Harris has come out with a strong stance. Ironclad support for Israel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I understand your point and I agree that harris is in a tough situation figuring biden supports the genocide. However I actually think your take on her needing to walk the line is wrong. Polling actually shows a shift even with dems messaging against Palestine and pretending it all started on Oct 7th. Additionally, if she argued for stopping weapons transfers of offensive weapons, this would also be popular among Americans, a plurality of which support a ceasefire. Just adding context to say that Harris is not pro-palestinian and them banning Palestinians from the DNC has highlighted this. To specify, I will support harris this selection, but just because Trump is a fascist, not because she supports any solution to the conflict.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A plurality of Americans maybe, but I'm not sure about voting Democrats. There are a lot of people on the right who are against Israel for very different reasons and they are not going to vote for Harris. There are a lot of voting Democrats that would choose to sit out if she showed support for Palestine in any way. It's a sad reality, but it is true.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The issue is that people fundamentally don't understand what power they actually have in this election. People are tired of a two-party dichotomy, and that is understandable, but the assignment in three weeks is to decide between Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. One of those two people will become president for the next 4 years. There are no alternatives, even if there are technically other parties on the ballot, if you are actually hoping to influence the results of the election in your favor, you absolutely need to choose between one of the two ruling parties.

A growing number of leftists have decided that, even in the absence of any election reform that would actually break the two-party system, they want to protest against it, either by voting for inviable third party spoilers, or not voting at all.

All I can see is that people are either so stupid, they don't understand the assignment, or they are so stupid they can't figure out whether Trump or Harris is the lesser evil. Either way, anyone vocally demanding that people don't for Harris is either stupid (if they consider themselves on the left), or evil (if they are actually rooting for Trump).

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