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TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

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[–] [email protected] 170 points 2 months ago (6 children)

how the fuck could they have possibly done things in a way that makes explorer tabs depend on recall?

if they can’t even separate out recall from the rest of the operating system then i have absolutely no faith it will be secure.

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[–] [email protected] 180 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Linux is here to welcome you

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (9 children)

I try to jump on Linux for years, it breaks so often for me I really lost all faith...

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 months ago (31 children)

Man, I cling to Windows like nobody else, as I didn't have any advertising issues and such, but this will be the final straw.

It's already enough of a spying system but I refuse to have it as a spy on crack.

Time to read into distros.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

The transition is really not difficult. A distribution like Xubuntu (XFCE+Ubuntu) is very easy. Everything should work out of the box.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it possible to disable this organization-wide for the handful of windows devices we have? Or do we have to subscribe to some kind of device management service from MSFT? We currently use standard o365 subscriptions

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Welp. Time to buy a NAS to back up all my stuff and rebuild this pc with Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 196 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Okay, this might be a non-issue: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil/issues/2697#issuecomment-2403792309

To those that arrive here from any Youtube or Twitter posts, please know that disabling Recall via DISM works fine, and preserves the modern File Explorer (though some might consider this an anti-feature). CBS correctly disables it, and the disablement is preserved through reboots, just like with any other feature.

Edit: of course, the big problem here is that it's still present (even disabled) and hence malware could turn it back on without you realising. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A lot of unpopular "features" and behaviors used to have DISM, policy, or registry workarounds. And MS seems to love to kill those workarounds during later updates.

If MS isn't letting people uninstall it, there's a reason for it, and I'd be willing to bet that users will one day find that it has been magically re-enabled by an update.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

There will 100% be a policy to disable it. Microsoft may shit on their retail users, but there's no way they'd force it on their enterprise clients. It's a security and compliance nightmare and they know it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

(though some might consider this an anti-feature)

To be fair, not everyone would say that, and the only reason you would call it an "anti-feature" is if you had an accurate understanding of the issues.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Its odd to call Windows Update "Malware".

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Yeah, you are already running Windows.

If you still consider Windows Update malware then you completely missed the other 90% of your hostile environment.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Malware could also reinstall it to be fair, or just create screenshots on its own.

Still smells fishy that Explorer has it as a dependency, "disabled" or not.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

Recall is malware, at least according to Malwarebytes!

Malware, or “malicious software,” is an umbrella term that refers to any malicious program or code that is harmful to systems.

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