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Particularly, why are they so desperately pushy about it? WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IN IT FOR THEM???

I would understand if I was having to pay for the upgrade. Then, ya know, they would be MOTIVATED by the fucking PROFIT MOTIVE.

But it's an apparently entirely free upgrade. So please, could someone fill in these blanks for me: "Microsoft wants me to upgrade to Windows 11 (and then 12) because _______. They will directly (or even indirectly) benefit in the following ways: ______________________"

Now, I'm not a complete fucking moron. I realize that they want to close out support for Windows 10. But that doesn't explain the out-and-out salesmanship that's going on, every time the fuckers try to get me to upgrade.

A couple other things, before you even start yapping at me:

First off, I will only upgrade to Windows 11 or 12 when I am absolutely forced to do so, on the day that Windows 10 becomes unsupported, and will therefore become a security risk.

NOTHING will convince me to "upgrade" my operating system before that date. Nothing. I don't care what you have to say. You WILL fail to persuade me. Don't even make the attempt.

In my opinion, Windows 7 should have been the last version of the OS. It should just have been patched forever, until some kind of major revolution in the whole basis of computing finally made its entire architecture fundamentally obsolete.

Updating an operating system is beyond drudgery, and each "upgrade" adds completely counter-productive, worse-than-useless bloat and nonsense. There is nothing to be excited about, when a new version of any operating system comes out. They should literally stop coming out.

Second, I'm not switching to Linux. I have used Linux in the past, for specific tasks and specific situations, but it will NEVER be my primary operating system, on my primary PC.

Do not bother trying to convince me to switch. Again: you WILL fail to persuade me. Do not waste your time. Linux is always 80-90 percent of the way toward being a true turn-key, user-friendly solution, especially for someone who has a long history of using Windows software, for both work and gaming. And 90 percent good simply isn't good enough.

The learning curve isn't worth it. No, I don't want to hear anything you have to say about that. I'm not interested in how good the current version of whatever Linux branch has gotten. Do not bother. I promise you, I will not be reading it.

EDIT: if you even mention Apple, I will just laugh in your face.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Because it's their newest OS? Why do you think there is some hidden malicious reason, all software companies want everyone to start using their newest offerings as soon as possible.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

So they can put AI in everything and slurp all your data. Well at least, they don't say they aren't doing that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It costs money to keep an OS patched and secure. They don't wanna do it anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You are the product. If you don't like it then fix that last 10% in Linux or find alternatives to the few things holding you back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Windows 7 is 15 years old. That's a long time to go with no new functionality. You may not care, but Microsoft is gonna need a critical mass of people to want that to make it economical to maintain a release for 15 years.

If you don't want to use something like Linux, which does offer more flexibility to keep UI the same, then I'd probably try adopting software packages that aren't going to change so that an update has less impact on you. Don't use the OS's bundled file manager or text editor or music player or whatever; use a third-party package that's maintained UI consistency and been around for a long time.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Windows 7 is 15 years old. That’s a long time to go with no new functionality

Did I say they couldn't add new functionality? They could add whatever the fuck they want. There just wasn't any reason to change the core system. Nothing about actual computer system architecture has changed over the last 15 years that would warrant that.

New CPUs? They will have drivers. New GPUs? They will have drivers. No problem. Anything else you can possibly think of? Drivers. Drivers will handle it.

There hasn't been any need to majorly change anything about the core functions of any operating system, for the last 25 years. Conservatively.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

A lot of the long-term support for OSes are for security updates. I'm sure they haven't added new features in a decade or more but security patches keep rolling out. These cover not just actual bugs in the code but also addressing evolving standards for encryption, hardware insecurities, etc.

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-17153/Microsoft-Windows-7.html

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Dunno but I've finally gotten sick of windows.

Been spending my time after work the last 2 weeks shifting my software stack from windows to a debian testbench, while learning docker. Once that's finally mirrored the way I want I'll wipe the windows machine, install Debian, and move all the containers back over to it.

Microsoft can go fornicate themselves with a chainsaw.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Advertising. They want to embed advertising to generate more revenue.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Boringly, this seems to be the consensus. I actually don't give a fuck. Advertising doesn't bother me on the red-hot-rage level that it bothers some people. I am under no obligation to buy anything, just because I've seen an ad.

Also, if ads support Windows being gratis, that's basically okay with me. Having to drop substantial money on operating systems wasn't fun.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is completely off topic but have you ever actually bought an OS? The last one my family paid for with cash was GeoWorks.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I won't claim to know for sure, but I'll place my bet on it still being about motivated by profit and growth. Supposedly Windows 10 was supposed to be the last Windows ever, and move to an eternal patching process, but I guess that didn't stick. So obviously just keeping you on Windows isn't enough, they found a need to create a refresh.

I did notice that refresh has new hardware requirements, like TPM modules and such. Deals with the OEMs to get people to buy/build new PCs?

There's talk of advertisements and sponsored links in the very Start Menu, so partnerships with advertisers to get closer to your daily activities?

I won't say I know for sure, because I only use Windows for video games. So, I too will be running Windows 10 until the games don't work anymore. Might I recommend, if you can get a copy, Windows 10 LTSC? It is a bared bones version of Windows made (by Microsoft) for enterprises and governments who would never buy into consumer features like advertising and analytics, so it's very clean, fast, and not full of spying junk or ads like the Home versions. And it hasn't bugged me once about upgrading. All my games run fine after some one-time minor command prompt foolery to get the Store and XBOX game pass apps back.

EDIT: Also, LTSC is Long-Term Support Channel, so additionally it will be supported longer than the regular editions, and be safer longer. Unless they change their minds this time around of course, but I doubt it. You don't rush the government through a PC upgrade if you want them to fund you.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

There’s talk of advertisements and sponsored links in the very Start Menu, so partnerships with advertisers to get closer to your daily activities?

That's probably a big part of it. I've become so jaded about that whole thing that I'm almost past objecting to it, on any philosophical level. I just wish new Windows versions wouldn't always add so much CPU and memory overhead.

I mean, shit, I've got an almost-four-year-old Android tablet that I use for watching YouTube (and pornography) from the comfort of my bed, and that thing manages to do whatever behind-the-scenes tracking of my activities it wants to do, without sucking up 28 percent of the whole system's resources, just to run the OS.

And that fucker wasn't any kind of top-of-the-line powerhouse, when I got it. And I expect to still be using it for at least another year, if not two.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

I think Windows 8 is the most hated version of Windows ever. Balmer jumped the gun on that one, trying to integrate UI design between Microsoft phones and desktop Windows, was never seen as a benefit by users. I guess many believe Windows 7 was the last really good version of Windows.
Personally I love these Windows upgrades, every single one of them. They are always good opportunities for Linux users to get good hardware dirt cheap.
As to why Microsoft wants you to upgrade IDK, maybe because it helps OEMs sell more machines, each with a paid Windows license?
Microsoft may also have upped the level of advertising and found more ways to monetize it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t really know and am not going to take time to look for example articles, but it seems like I’ve seen a lot of stories lately where Microsoft has a lot of ability to track users internally in Windows 11 for better “spyware” for Microsoft’s own financial gain. Largely it seems to be to get people to use more of Microsoft’s paid services that have recurring fees, which will benefit Microsoft financially more in the long run than a one-time upgrade fee.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I guess that's the boringly probable answer. They need to eventually get everyone to switch, before 10 becomes unsupported anyway, so they might as well also try and get everyone onto the new spy-riffic, service-tastic version, as soon as possible.

Boring dystopia vibes.

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