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EDIT: See @AnimePhantasm comment below! My friend called the election board and they confirmed what @AnimePhantasm and @fmstrat commented! This was Virginia reusing last year’s envelopes.

OP I am an absentee voter in Blacksburg just next door. Shine a light on the blacked out part. I am 99% sure this is legit, they just crossed out the witness requirement. I can see the word witness under the sharpie in your picture. Virgina doesnt have to do that witness thing anymore. We did at the last general election, so I am guessing they just reused the same envelopes. You should call and ask your elections office before alerting the news. They are hardworking folks whose jobs are already 100 times harder then they used to be. Stirring up reports of election fraud where it isn't happening makes us just as bad as them.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So somebody reported this to the State election board and told all the news agencies, right?

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It's almost as if Republicans can't win the popular vote and have to cheat or something (:

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago

Honestly that is scary to see. People are going to lose the chance to influence. A true potential for a stolen election.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You might see if you can get this to the Meidas Touch guys too. They could help research and amplify this to the national media

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Ughhhhhhhhh. Sorry, but I need to rant.

Those fuckers are so fucking sensationalist. They use the same simple-mined tactics as right-wing propaganda mills. A 20 minute video of theirs could be condensed into 5 without those tactics and actually do far more to push forward their "law based coverage".

I quickly put them in the "not worth the sensationalist propaganda" bucket after watching a handful of their videos

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Isn't the whole point int this case to make a sensation?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

They all are like that. They all use heavy clickbait titles to get attention to their videos, and those titles have a tenuous at best relationship with the actual topic, which they all blow way out of proportion and act as if this will finally be the thing that brings down Trump. These are the ones who the right refer to as having "Trum Derangement Syndrome", as they post daily videos that are almost exclusively about Trump, while peddling products that you can tell they've never used or even heard of in their lives by the way they read the script.

Don't get me wrong. The information they give is at least truthful (exaggerated, but truthful) and the products they're shilling are actual products and not crypto scams or something, which puts them far ahead of Trump's supporters. But they're still basically grifting and trying to ride the Trump train as long and as hard as they can, as I don't know what half of them are going to do once Trump is actually out of the public eye.

[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, clear cut election fraud.

Anyone want to take bets on it being a Republican behind this?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're the ones always claiming there's fraud. They must know something we don't.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is this the year old thing where the witness signature requirements was removed, but it was still included in the instructions?

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

This brought up a concern of mine that I had last year. I tried looking but couldn't find it. Is there a way to verify that my vote was counted and specifically counted for whom I voted?

Edit: To clarify, my state does have voter history but only what elections I vote in, not how I voted.

Worst case scenario, someone intercepts my ballot and/or changes my vote. Website says "yep, you voted." Great, but I want to know it was counted correctly.

Ultimately our whole voting system needs an overhaul, but I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

My California county sends me a text and email.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

My county in Washington state has a website where you can check the status. I even get text or email notifications for the status. “We received your ballot”, “the signature was verified”, “your vote has been counted”.

There was even a problem with my signature once and all I had to do was log in and verify it and it was counted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My county in Florida allows you to show your vote was counted. Damned if I don't check every single time.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

If you mailed in a ballot then there should be a way to confirm it was received, but there should NOT be a way to see who you voted for. Just like they can confirm that you voted in person, but again can not tell who you voted for when you showed up to vote.

Typically when you vote by mail you receive a ballot plus two envelopes. You fill out the ballot and put it in the inner envelope that should contain no markings as to whose ballot it belongs to. This is put inside the second envelope that should have your contact information (my state uses a barcode for this) and that you have to sign.

When the city/town clerk receives the ballot they look up your voter registration & confirm the signature on file matches the signature on the envelope. They then check off in their records that you voted by mail on that day. They take the inner envelope out of the outer envelope and add it to the other pile of envelopes they’ve received. At some later point they open those envelopes and count the ballots, but have no way of associating a given ballot back with the person who mailed it in.

If you then try to go vote in person on Election Day (or somebody tries to impersonate you) then their records will show you already voted and you won’t be allowed to vote again.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Maryland sent me an email last time that my vote had been counted, but not for who.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

I don’t know if all states have it, but Virginia does have vote history on their voter registration page. It doesn’t show what your vote was, but does show that it was received and counted.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't believe there is, and if there was, it could be used for some really nefarious purposes!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

TBH idgaf who knows my vote history, I want the peace of mind that it was counted correctly.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I totally hear that, but at the same time it's really important for a functioning democracy that the vote be secret. For one, it empowers a suppressed class to vote against their suppressor's interests without fear of retaliation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is already a record of who voted for what, all of your fears could be taking place as things are now. Making it accessible to the person, even with hoops to jump through, would only be an improvement.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (9 children)

No, there's not. There's a record of who voted. There is a record of your political party in most states. There is no record of who you actually voted for.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

in my state (OR) you can sign up for an email that says when your ballot was counted but not who you voted for.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Yeah there is a good reason for that to be secret: it prevents buying votes because you can't prove who you votes for, if someone offers you money to vote a certain way you can always take the money and vote the other way, no way to prove how you voted.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

Gotta be prosecuted for it to be a crime.

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