I hope they get huge pay raises and job security, but I can't support their anti-automation stance. This generation of longshoremen will likely be the last - soon it will all be robot technicians.
this post was submitted on 03 Oct 2024
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I don't think that it'll go away. I think that there will be a longshoreman.
It'll just do something different than in 2024.
Same way a longshoreman a hundred years ago, pre-containerization, would have been wrestling boxes around instead of moving containers on a crane.
Full automation in 6 years?
I hope they get a re-education/professional training stipend
That depends on how much everything else is automated by then
I feel like port work will be easier to automate than many other industries, it's a hectic but very controlled environment
I was thinking of other industries. If we automate away all or most of the jobs no amount of re-training will help.
And the capital gathered through this automation won't redistribute itself to keep people fed without a fight.
There are many totally automated ports outside the US, unions have fought to keep the US in the stone age as far as ports are concerned. The first automated port was opened in 93.
Good. It's not like the extra margin from eliminating this labor would be passed down to the rest of us. This way the money goes into labor and a significant chunk from this labor to the rest of us, through taxes and spending. Those jobs should be automated when no union labor wants to do them anymore.
Fighting against progress is always wrong.
Progress towards what?
And for whom?
All these people hoarding TP must feel like morons now. (jk, they’re incapable of introspection)
I was eating dinner with my folks and my mom related a story to me that after she had lunch with one of her friends, the friend when to 2 Costcos in the area. Not a pack of PT, TP, nor bottled water anywhere. Naturally I went to Target after because I was legit looking for other items and low and behold, shelves almost fully stocked with both. No limits. Cottonelle had BOGO 10% off, Charmin got a $10 gift card when you by x$ worth.
People are fucking panicky
The fucking hilarious bit is that the great majority of TP is produced in the US, from Canadian trees. It was never in any danger of shortages.
I somehow missed that people were hoarding tp again. Imagine my surprise yesterday when I went to buy some and found nearly the entire aisle bare. Luckily there was plenty of the store brand, so I guess people were panick buying but not panicked enough to consider a different brand.
Hey, they've already started on their Beavis and Butthead costumes for Halloween!
The union also sought limits on automation at ports. The joint statement only mentions wages.
So I'm guessing -- though we'll see what further articles talk about -- that they probably got concessions on wages, but not on automation.
There will be a commission to negotiate automation. Right now they will have time to negotiate until January 15th.
honestly I hope the automation was more of a bargaining chip because less automation is not going to make things better.
I agree, but it definitely puts the union in a tough spot.
not really. unless the automation is absolute where it can't be run with people but that is something we have to figure out at the societal level. citizens income or such.