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This is a 12 year dream. I have always run a Windows workstation along side a Debian laptop. I am no stranger to Debian. I have a 12 year association with it. I am not a Linux wizard yet but have been adept with it.

Why not use Debian daily then? My personal computing usage unfortunately centered around consumption rather than creation. I watched videos, listened to podcasts, read technical articles, and browsed social media. On top of this, inertia and great software like Visual Studio, Notepad++, Excel, OneDrive held me back.

Visual Studio is an absolute must-have for all .NET developers. I built small pieces of complex web projects only occasionally. VS Code on Linux is decent for .NET development but it is not the same. Though Jetbrains Rider existed along-side, it is unthinkable to drop Visual Studio. At least for dark matter developers.

Notepad++ is a fabulous software program that had no complete alternatives on Linux. I used it for scripting, text manipulation, note taking, dumping and editing thoughts. Scintilla-based equivalents Geany, SciTE exist, but do not come close.

MS-Office Excel is another remarkable software program with no real alternatives in other ecosystems. It is worth the 5K INR per year. Organizing data, life planning, and creating simple reports are a few of its greatest capabilities. Also, the formulas system is amazing. OneDrive is another great and a utilitarian software program from the Microsoft stable.

So, why now? I had the most fun and growth when I built things. I love the independence that comes with the experience of building things. As far as I can remember, I was always a tinkerer, thinker, builder, doer and explorer. After a decade or so of inaction, I needed a change. A few things fell into place recently.

  • Windows is about to get a whole lot more annoying. An increase in ads, baked-in Copilot, and a suffocating push to outlook user-linked usage.
  • Jetbrains Rider became formidable now for CLI and web app development.
  • I learnt enough of apt-pinning, backports and makedeb repository.
  • The last straw is from an unexpected experience. I set up a Win 11 VM recently using the KVM+QEMU route. I noticed that the VM's performance was quite responsive. KVM+QEMU despite all the pain felt worthy. I cannot recommend it enough.

Immediately I decided to remove Windows, install Debian with a Windows VM inside. I will write about various experiments and experiences over the next year. These are some of the sub-projects on my mind in no particular order.

  • Write about this setup
  • Implement a nice 3-2-1 backup strategy
  • Write about significant alternatives
  • Write about significant issues
  • Linking to phone
  • Configure monitoring, notifications and alerts
  • Configure auto dark mode
  • Find a way to play an old strategy game on Linux
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Jetbrains? Use vim :) Just kidding. As for Excel, you can use LibreOffice calc, or OnlyOffice. Or any office... or Excel web. As for onedrive, i remeber linking my gdrive to my gnome files, but i personally don't need it that much, i use git lab/hub. btw as for linking to phone, I recommend using KDE Connect.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve dabbled with Linux for decades but only within the last year decided to make it a permanent switch due to a new career move. When I’ve previously used Linux it’s always been on a USB stick or something like that, so when something didn’t work I just tolerated it and ended up using Windows most of the time. By removing my Windows installs and doing a permanent switch I found myself more inclined to learn and fix the problems, though most of it is simply searching and searching until you find someone else who’s already solved it.

It’s not exactly been a smooth process, and in the end I ended up dual-booting both of my machines with Windows just for the odd thing that I couldn’t be bothered fixing, and it’s kind of silly that both of my Windows installs were so easy and set most things up automatically compared to the Linux ones. While I like Linux it certainly isn’t for everyone and I don’t care what anyone here says but Linux won’t be a desktop of choice for normal people for a long time, if ever. If the year of Linux ever happens it won’t be because everyone suddenly wakes up one day and decides they love FOSS, it’ll be because someone like Google rolls out an incredibly locked down version, such as ChromeOS, in a way that works for most people. The year of Linux won’t be what people on here want it to be. And I still think the Linux community has so many people in it with a shit attitude that people are often driven away just as they’re dipping their toes in. I was just looking at a post this morning that was asking the exact question I had and the first reply began with “Did you even bother to read the wiki?”.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks for sharing. Agree, In had a few of these separate running, dual booting episodes and moved only now completely due to the right mental space and bandwidth.

I proclaimed multiple times in my life that Linux will always have less than 5% desktop users and that is perfectly fine. Forget normal people, even the most tech savvy users could never make the move.

For those of us who do, after the navigating the technical challenges, elitism, and hostility, it is indeed a lovely journey. I know everything will not be smooth and there will days of halted usage due to some breakages. The system if setup in a sensible way just like a server, it could reduce this friction to some extent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

For phone linking you can use KDE Connect (and GSConnect if you use GNOME)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Aw half the fun of linux is all the weird janky software some nerds felt strongly enough about to release.

Npp can be replaced by several different linux tools. You just have to like using the terminal a bit. Personally I get it. I know awk and sed and all those crunchy tools the olds made exist, but it's not a crime to have it all in one place in a gui. That said it npp 1000% works under wine. Sublime Text has a linux version and all the plugins you could ever want if you're willing to learn new ways of doing stuff you've already figured out. Vscodium is also a decent npp replacement. It's fast, has a cli, and a great plugin ecosystem.

Excel is all hype. Unless you're a data analyst or numbers nerd LibreOffice Calc has all the things. It's not as performant as excel with large datasets, but it has formulas, pivot tables (though somewhat weird), and macros. It's just ugly installed from the debian repo. Also if you're paying for office you can probably still use excel in the browser.

OneDrive sucks, unless you are committed to the Microsoft ecosystem. If you find a suitable replacement for excel, you could always cancel your office subscription and setup a nextcloud instance. You can have it all hosted for you through nextcloud and they have web based office tools using LibreOffice. Their syncing app works on everything so you've got options. Or you can try to self-host it. I have a raspberry pi with an external hard drive attached running nextcloud, and a vpn. Reasonably stable, if slow.

I hope that outside of Visual Studio, you can completely free yourself of the windows ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thank you for the awesome comment.

As mentioned a few times here, its between Kate and Sublime although it looks like it will be Sublime unless Zed becomes good soon.

I did not renew my office license since a year for this exact reason. Though it is good, I could not justify it anymore. I am slow-exploring Calc.

I am done with Visual Studio faster and before other lesser dealbreakers. I will get to use it in any work environments anyway. Personal and OSS Dev will be done on a Jetbrains Rider.

Wrt One drive, I am keeping it as an eventual piece of puzzle for a nice backup strategy along side others like Borg etc. I will explore Nextcloud once again.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Aw half the fun of linux is all the weird janky software some nerds felt strongly enough about to release.

My favourites are the ones that just have a Github with absolutely no explanation of what the software does at all. It'll just be like "After two years, blurplr has been refactored to use the updated flerb library instead of flerbp, which is deprecated" and then just a link to a tarball.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Welcome to the resistance! 😄

I did pretty much similar as you, but about a decade ago. Was it really Windows 8 at the time? 7 perhaps? Even then the OS was becoming increasingly bloated, and crudely implementing channels for Microsoft to milk data from users.

For me it wasn't so much editors and development environment that kept me around, but the Adobe suite — specifically the lack of CMYK support in FLOSS alternatives. In the end I was quite happy to just find workarounds for the few print jobs I would have to do.

Quite often I think people are less resisting a new OS environment than the software available. "I couldn't use the same shortcuts in [FLOSS package] as in [proprietary software], so I went back to Windows"...

I'm not exactly a hardcore Excel user myself, but I'd be interested to hear how your transition to LibreOffice (I guess the most viable alternative?) will work out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thank you for the welcome :)

My rationalization for LibreOffice Calc is — As I see it, I have never used too many formulas and the complex reporting, but for organizing data. For example, I had a sheet called large-purchases where I had listed down all the things I want to buy, and then tracked things estimated price, actually price, total amount remaining, etc. If you see, it is just a database table with a fancy entry and some calculations. So Calc can do all that simply and for something more, I can either learn more of Calc and/or just use a db and turn it into simple personal app.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that was my thinking — that for most purposes LibreOffice will replace Microsoft Office fairly well. But I'm always keen to hear what bumps people run into when they switch from the latter. For you it seems there haven't been any worth mentioning?

Glad to hear it's gone so smoothly!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, my usage was not particularly deep. It would take while to see any issue, if at all. I would certwinly post here if there are any major troubles.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've also recently switched to Linux Mint as my daily driver. Linux + Open-Source is finally in a really good spot. I tell people that switching OSes always takes new learning, but a step-by-step approach is a sustainable one.

Whenever I go back to Windows and see news and ads popping up in my Start Menu, etc, I realize how much shit we were putting up with even pre-Copilot. That's not even including Microsoft Edge forcing itself back as a default program with each major update. It's like the word "consent" doesn't exist to those people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yes, great times for us. It takes time to get up to speed, but the important thing is to keep at it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hello there!

It's funny, I just made the switch this Monday. I got fed up with Microsoft's bullshit being shoved down my throat. I was going to keep Windows 10 for as long as possible, but a recent update that installed Copilot on my machine was the last straw. I have been a Linux user since 2000 and have been using Ubuntu (and switching flavours) since 2004.

I had a big conversation on the Linux Gaming community about choosing a new distribution as a daily driver. You can see it here.

I wanted to get people's opinion and it started a big thread with lots of responses. It led me to try many distributions to see which ones would be the best fit and read a lot about people's experiences with them as well. In the end, I decided to stick with Kubuntu which was already installed as a dual boot on my system even though I didn't use it much except to tinker from time to time and it was doing a great job. Gaming on it was also working fantastically well. And I knew that every time I booted into it it would always work unless I really started messing with system files and didn't know what I was doing.

So Monday I had a day off and did the jump. Backed up my system, downloaded Kubuntu 24.04.1, booted off the USB stick and wiped the whole system clean.

But I learned something about Kubuntu (and Ubuntu in general) during that experience that made me regret keeping that distro. I knew that Canonical had developed their own sandboxed package system like Flatpak: Snaps. They were already available in 22.04, which I was running, but I didn't really pay attention. Upon installing Kubuntu 24.04, I realized just how much Canonical insisted that Snaps be used. Some software is now exclusively available as Snaps and nothing else. This unacceptable for me.

To be fair, Snaps aren't THAT bad. It's pretty comparable to Flatpak in general in terms of features except for the fact that they are stored locally in their compressed form while Flatpaks are uncompressed. So the startup time of Snaps is slower. But they both offer sandboxing and therefore an added layer of security. This is great for apps like internet clients (browsers, email, etc.) or even servers or any kind of software, especially in an immutable system meant for IoT. Baeldung's website explains the differences pretty well.

I'd probably use snaps for certain scenarios, but I think Canonical is pushing the limit by forcing people to use them. And also they've said they wouldn't support Flatpak in future releases, even though it has become very popular and is being adopted much more than Snaps by third party software providers. I'm fairly certain Snaps are going to go the same way as Bazaar and Unity over time. In any case, I've been able to get around Snaps enough that it's tolerable for the moment.

So now I've been considering starting over with Debian stable instead. I'm already used to Apt and .deb packages and the Debian way of doing things. I'm looking for stability over having the latest and greatest software and honestly, a 2 year release cycle is not that bad. Plus there's backports as well. Almost everyone is saying "Debian is too far behind! Packages are too old!" but what's "old" anyway? 6 months??? Honestly that's not a big deal for me. I just want my system to boot and be very confident that it'll work and won't break during my next apt-get upgrade. Debian offers this peace of mind. But, after using Ubuntu for so long with all its quality of life improvements, Debian looks pretty rough around the edges in comparison.

I think I'll stick with my Kubuntu for a bit and see how it goes and if I really get frustrated at Snaps, I'll switch to Debian. But, right now I've spent enough time setting up my system that I feel too lazy to switch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thank you for sharing your experience. I never distro-hopped much, but still got to try Ubuntu a few times while always using Debian Testing. After a point, I had all the things I needed on Debian Stable and the few that I needed, I learnt how to use backports or makedeb etc. Kubuntu is pretty great. My own Debian journey was probably like Lubuntu > Mint > Debian Testing for a long time > Debian Stable rest of the life. If it works for you Kubuntu is still great. No need to switch to Debian unless there is a strong reason.

As for flatpak and snap, I have my reservations. I go out of my way to avoid them and find either packaged version or try the source install. However, I am not completely averse to them. I still think if someday I need flatpak only software in my workflow, I would have no qualms to use it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I felt the same way about the flatpaks and snap. But having used flatpaks a bit I realized how great it is for desktop apps.

What I like the most is that you don't have to pull in a ton of dependencies for them to run. For example, when using a Gnome app in KDE.

I also appreciate the sandboxing. Especially for web clients like Firefox and Discord for example. I'm using Flatseal to configure the app permissions like you would Android apps. And the Flathub acts like an app store. The software there is often more recent than what's in the repo.

I highly recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Glad to know your experience. Once I have the stable resilient setup I will definitely explore flatpaks. Thank you again!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

“Debian is too far behind! Packages are too old!”

The best rule of thumb I've ever heard regarding Debian Stable is that if the kernel in stable's default repo fully supports ALL your hardware, and the software in stable's default repos fully support your workflows, it's fine.

If those are NOT true, then you probably don't want to use Stable, because you'll either end up fighting it via manually compiled and installed software, or you'll venture into so many 3rd party repos for updated packages that updating it later becomes problematic and prone to making the whole system catch fire and burn down.

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