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I wish I could say my own father didn’t fall for this.
My grandma did a semester of IT and 1 for cybersecurity for extra credit while she was in nursing school (She went to nursing school in her 50s). Even though it was the early 2000s, she taught me a lot about cybersecurity because the class had to write papers on the potentials of cybersecurity and the creation of scam tactics
This isn't even cyber security IMO. It's just social engineering and doesn't require any kind of technical knowledge to understand or avoid.
Unless you're dealing with mafia loansharks or something, there isn't often immediate urgency on any kind of payments. And even if it is a loanshark, you'll likely have an idea of the debt before being approached about it.
And government services take payments in the form of legal currency through direct means. Cash, cheques sent to a specific address (inside the country), bank transfers. Not gift card codes sent over the phone or chat.
If it's legit, they'll also know your name and other information. Though just because they do know information doesn't mean it's legit because they might have gotten your phone number with a name and other information attached. So use this as a way to rule out those who don't know (in my experience they tend to just give up if they ask your name and you point out they should already have that information if there's a warrant or whatever bullshit they are trying to tell you).
There's scams that will call you and tell you that need to go to this specific website or allow them access to your bank account. One is phishing, the other is brute force. Both very popular scam tactics
Yeah, though I'd still say that those are scams that use technology rather than scams that require technical knowledge to avoid. Don't just trust anyone that cold calls you or sends a message. If they make a claim that you owe them anything, don't just take their word for it.
They have a legal obligation (both in the US and in many other jurisdictions) to provide a written notice within 5 days or validation of the debt within 30. If they say they don't have your address to send either of those to, that's another red flag. It might also limit their ability to legally pursue the debt even if it is valid because they have an obligation to provide that written notice and debt validation. The debt doesn't disappear in that case, but it could end up in limbo until the statute of limitations passes (though could also affect your credit rating in the meantime).
Just knowing this non-technical information can turn these scams from panic-inducing events that cause a sense of urgency to mild annoyances or even sources of entertainment if you have the patience to fuck with the scammers and waste their time getting their hopes up that they've got another pay day coming. Some real masters of reverse scamming have even managed to get money from the scammers.
My point is that these things shouldn't just be taught in technical contexts because they involve websites or cell phones, but should be a part of the mainstream education process because websites and cell phones are mainstream.
For me it was always Microsoft support service. With a very bad accent some guy told me I have a virus and just have to look how many entries are in my event log for proof.
As I didn't immediately ended conversation to see where it goes, I was handed to another support guy who told me I have to download their expensive anti-virus tool and need to pay by credit card.
Somehow I was kicked out of the line without warning as I was probably considered too stupid to follow their orders.
At least I kept two of them busy for about 20 minutes so they couldn't scam other people at the same time.
"The last time my windows crashed was when the asshole neighbour's kids were playing baseball. It ended up being this whole thing where those kids and my kids got shrunk and I accidentally threw them out before I realized what had happened and everyone got pretty upset before everything was resolved and we became good friends. So you're saying that that happened because of a virus? If you get rid of the virus, will you also undo the whole shrinking thing?"
Or act like you have a real virus. Like it keeps opening ads every two seconds and bitch at them for adding so many ads to Windows. Like try to act like an amazing mark for them but make them work for your money--not because you aren't willing to give it to them but because you're so dumb you've left things in a state where work needs to be done before that can happen.
It Bitcoin gets mentioned, ask why anyone would want you to cut up a coin and send them the bits to an address your smart friend thinks is on Uranus or something.
I've seen videos of people that install the remote access software on a VM, I wonder if there's any where they've set it up to pop up new ads every 2 seconds. Even better if they make them wait while they look at each ad to decide if they are interested and insist some just get moved to the side instead of closed because they want to pursue them after the call. Cherry on the cake would be for the ads to be about things like penis reduction or softening pills or hiring a service to fend off all the local singles so you can get on with your day.
I got one of those calls when I got in the car to go home from work. Since I'd be bored I kept him on the line, pretending I was a really old guy who had to walk to get to the computer and boot it up slowly. Strung him along for about fifteen minutes before traffic eased up and I had to focus more on driving.
When I told him I was bullshitting him he swore at me and hung up.
At least I kept two of them busy for about 20 minutes so they couldn't scam other people at the same time
They will scam other people anyway, just 20 minutes later.
Do the scammers really decide to work more hours to make up for people wasting their time?
By wasting a scammer's time you are not preventing people from being scammed, you are just delaying that moment.
It depends on overtime payment and team building measures like always. And as it's already illegal why not a threat or two to increase performance. Not layoff level, but concrete shoes level.
For education and hilarity on this topic, see youtuber Kitboga.
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I got a call from "my bank" saying there was a problem with my account and if I give them my account number and details now we can resolve it. I was like "you're the bank and you called me so you have my account number and info. What's your name and employee number? And dude just cussed and hung up on me lol
“Oh no, that’s terrible. Tell you what, I’ll hang up and call you back using the number on your website and we can continue this conversation.”
Favorite type of scammer! Just calling out of the blue and unable to provide details beyond "Give us money!"
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