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Unpopular opinion: you only hate chat gpt because it makes it harder to stack rank and discriminate against people.

So what everyone can write well now? great it's a tool! Just like moving faster because you drive a car.

The good news is you'll be easily able to hire for that writing job you need. The bad news is you won't be able to discriminate against candidates who are not as good with the written word.

Also, an obsession with the written word is a tenant of white supremacy [salute emoji]

Ian Rennie
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Man, this probably hits really hard if you're fuckin stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's just a tool, like cars! My definition of tools is things that are being forced on us even though they're terrible for the environment and make everyone's life worse!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Except that the ability to communicate is a very real skill that's important for many jobs, and ChatGPT in this case is the equivalent to an advanced version of spelling+grammar check combined with a (sometimes) expert system.

So yeah, if there's somebody who can actually write a good introduction letter and answer questions on an interview, verses somebody who just manages to get ChatGPT to generate a cover and answer questions quickly: which one is more likely going to be able to communicate well:

  • with co-workers
  • in a crisis,
  • without potentially providing sensitive data to a third-party tool
  • While providing reliable answers based on fact without "hallucinating"

Don't get me wrong, it can even the field for some people in some positions. I know somebody who uses it to generate templates for various questions/situations and then puts in the appropriate details, resulting in a well-formatted communication. It's quite useful for people who have professional knowledge of a situation but might have lesser writing ability due to being ESL, etc. However, that is always in a situation where there's time to sanitize the inputs and validate the output, often choosing from and reworking the prompt to get the desired result.

In many cases it's not going to be available past the application/overview process due to privacy concerns and it's still a crap-shoot on providing accurate information. We've already seen cases of lawyers and other professionals also relying on it for professional info that turns out to be completely fabricated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

LLMs are distinctly different from expert systems.

Expert systems are designed to be perfectly correct in specific domains, but not to communicate.

LLMs are designed to generate confident statements with no regard for correctness.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah. I should have said "illusions of" an expert system or something similar. An LLM can for example produce decent working code to meet a given request, but it can also spit out garbage that doesn't work or has major vulnerabilities. It's a crap shoot

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Don't make me tap the sign

We don't correct people when they are wrong. We do other things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

alert alert we've gone of one of them on the doorstep

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

you probably don’t know this, but this post is so much funnier than you probably meant it

and it (probably) still won’t save you

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Serious question: what does “stack rank” mean?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitality_curve

It's become really popular in large tech companies and it's fucking stupid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you. I’ve never even heard of the term before, and didn’t know if it was slang, a typo, or what. It wouldn’t have occurred to me to search for it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's just a strawman fallacy followed by a "guilt by association" fallacy.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

holy hell that inner is all kinds of past-even-wrong

is there some kind of idiocy gdq rankweekend event that I missed the announcement for?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

"tenant of white supremacy"

White Supremacy is the worst landlord.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Well spotted I’d kinda checked out by that point to be honest

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Imagining judging someone for a job about communicating with people on their ability to communicate with people effectively.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Surely that's an AI generated pfp

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

My immediate thought as well. Reads like rage bait too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

apparently she is a real known person from military twitter

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

my heuristic: I can understand a shitty past giving crescent to bad reactions, but the moment you start choosing bad things with current-era things I rapidly start losing grace and patience

(and yeah I know there's a continuum of stuff between A and B, but anyone showing up in a fucking news article of this shape is generally well past accident)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Should have used chatGPT.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ChatGPT is great because you can use it to show a potential employer how good your writing is for that writing job they'll totally pay you to use ChatGPT to do.

It is and always has been racism that has stopped bad writers from getting writing jobs.

/s

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

New hire firefighter [leaning against a dumpster]: yeah I used the AI that puts out fires to get this job. They would have been able to discriminate against me if I hadn't done that. Glad that in this crazy fucked up trash fire of a world, there's still something out there helping to level the playing field.

Veteran firefighter: that trash behind you is on literally on fire

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

how to let people know you're not a talented writer but think you should be without telling people you're not a talented writer but you think you should be

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay, show me a system that was only trained on data given with explicit permission and hopefully compensation and I'll happily be fine with it.

But that isn't what these capitalists, tech obsessives etc they have done. They take take take and give nothing back.

They do not understand nor care about consent, that's the crux of the issue.

I couldn't care less if all the training data was consensual.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But even if it there was an LLM that used only ethical sources it would still need massive amounts of energy for training and using so until we're 100% renewable and the whole world gets as much of that energy as they need ...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

This is fair. I was more responding to the person in the picture's point that we care more that other people who don't have the skills or perhaps ability to write can now when no, that's not really the problem.

But you do raise a good point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

brb, time to go shout 'fucking nazis tenants' at my local library.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tenant was that Christopher Nolan movie with the bad audio. Quality comparison.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No that was Tenet, you're thinking of a tent.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, a tent is a shelter made out of fabric, you're thinking of Tencent

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

No, tencent is a Chinese tech company, you're thinking of tenement.

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