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I saw some threads here about Telegram and piracy stuff being banned. So, as an experimental alternative, I created a public Signal group for piracy.

Maybe it'll be useful?

Before joining

Signal supports usernames and hiding telephone numbers. Here's a blog entry on how to do so. You might want to:

  • set a username
  • change your profile name (these are two separate things!)
  • hide your phone number
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Keybase is better than Signal. You may not like it's current owners but it still works, still functions, and can be used to chat privately. It's entirely OSS on the client side; and server-side software isn't provided; but with an open Client; it's likely trivial to reverse and re-implement your own. (Keybase itself doesn't provide their server code; it's private due to abuse constraints)

Keybase is End to End Encrypted. It may not be as "feature rich" but all features are private.

I'm not sure if it's indev anymore though; and it does allow you to be as public or as private as you'd like to be about your identity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, let's talk piracy behind some stupid walled garden. As if public conversations are not fragmented enough as it is

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Signal is a walled garden?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

how is it not?

  • the worst kind of opensource, where you are not allowed to run the software yourself (or even fork it)
  • not indexable
  • requires signup with personal informations
  • forever tied to a single identity
  • not exportable to other services
  • no open formats for its storage

it's a shitty service, by a shitty person. I know Moxie personally, and he is basically Elon Musk if he didn't make it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Great... Signal is imperfect.

Can you suggest a perfect alternative?

At this point I'm just happy my family have tolerated it to the point we're not using Facebook Messenger, Google chat (it whatever it's called this month) and WhatsApp.

The xmpp or whatever other convoluted alternative you're about to recommend is not something I'm going to get 20 or 30 family and friends to switch to.

Signal is imperfect... But not as bad as many other options.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Thanks for doing this

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I thought signing up for Signal required a phone number and phone app -- and all phones have IMEI besides many other nightmare anti-features.

For the normies it's fine but tbh I'm not sure it's as advertised.

What ever happened to that odd old app called tox?

Honestly I could see a version of DeltaChat + GPG make some gains in popularity but I would argue the email relay servers and spam lists are rigged for max surveillance.

Are we at the point where tech from 20 years ago may be the way lmao.

XMPP, IRC, ICQ /s

Matrix is probably the best bet but some of their apps and clients seem like dogshit. And I am saying that as someone who uses them daily. And the whole "server" thing is a PITA, or it used to be at least.

I guess we'll just have to use carrier pidgin and cypherto encrypt the cat gifs /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Carrier Pidgin. Lol. Made me chuckle!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, for me personally I'm sticking to simplex. I can get an anonymous sim card, but none of the people I'd be talking to would do that. I don't want this relationship/network map out there at all if I can avoid it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What makes you think Signal is maintaining relationship maps, and secondly, even if it is, is there any evidence they're included in LEO subpoenas?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There is no evidence. safety is about staying multiple steps ahead and risk mitigation when possible.

Centralized servers are a single point of failure that could be compromised in the future.

My contact's devices they use signal on are insecure and could be easily compromised in the future.

SMS/Cell network in general are insecure as hell and I avoid it as much as possible.

Why would I expose all that sensitive data when there's literally no need to? Simplex works great for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then create a simplex group and invite everybody there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They pinky promise they don't maintain these relationships. Maybe even they really don't. But they have the ability to, if they were to change their mind, and that's the problem.

Use secure protocols which don't give anyone that ability.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which ones do you suggest?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Feel free to create the chat rooms and share them as a post :)

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What is even the point of "piracy groups"? What exactly can you find there that you cannot in other places designed for that, e.g., trackers, usenet, forums...?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It's like having a discord 'server'. Nothing gets actually talked about, noteworthy stuffs are hidden beyond layers of clunky mobile UI and everyone's phone numbers are leaked in the process.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I don't know this group but I am on a telegram group that shares movies produced in my country of origin. It's quite niche, I never saw any tracker that does the same. I doubt it for usenet but never looked into it. Anyway, my point is that some layman uploaders use whatever is at hand and not necessarily have much preparation or technically involved solutions...

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