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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both global and EU store still sell things. They are still active on social media. I have plenty of their products (PinePhone with keyboard case, PinePhone Pro with LoRA add-on, Pinecil, PineTab2, PineNote, PineTime) which I use often, some on a daily basis, other weekly basis. They just work. As others have pointers out they don't do software, "just" hardware with some community fostering. If tomorrow they announce another product (not sure what that could be as, simply by listing now they are covering already a LOT) and if I need it, I would buy it without much hesitation.

Now I imagine if they don't have anything new they don't announce much, which is reasonable. They might not need the "buzz" as long as they manage the sales in their pipelines.

I would honestly like to see more products but arguably they already have good coverage. Let me ask you then, what do you wish they would add to their existing product line?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would guess that they'll be sourcing a next-gen RISC-V processor ASAP, since those will enable virtualisation. If they stick one in a laptop shell I'd probably buy it pretty quickly. Doubly so if it has EFI.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They already sell the Pinetab RISC-V so quite feasible. I'm not sure I'd buy one as I already have a Banana-Pi (SpacemiT K1 8 so not exactly "next-gen") so my next purchase on that would probably be something that would be relatively powerful enough to "forget" it's not ARM/AMD64 for daily usage (which we might not be very far from, not really sure).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The moment I can get a laptop-style RISC-V device with virtualisation support I'm doing it. Double bonus if I can actually use it as my daily driver.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pine64s "problem" was they only ever did the hardware. Like they sponsor some software, but they make and sell hardware. They gained a lot of popularity from the Pinephone, but very little changed internally at Pine64. They're still the same they always were

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (5 children)

What? I get really annoyed at hardware companies that do software. Like, first thing I'm gonna do with anything I buy is wipe it and install my own OS. Why would you waste so much time making a forked OS?

Do one thing, and do it well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think you are confusing "making another fedora fork for a laptop brand" with "porting a booloader to the device" or "writing a driver for the screen". Simply put you would not be able to use the hardware without the software. Outsourcing it to the community makes the hardware cheaper but the sideeffect is that the software will be crappy even after years of development. For some reason people aren't very keen on writing the low level stuff.

If you compare the Espruino smart watch to the Pine64 smartwatch, it's a night and day difference. My guess is that it's because Espruino handles the low level stuff and let community do the fun stuff, while Pine64 leaves everything on the community. Imo you need a fulltime developer who actually spends time looking in the datasheet and figuring out, how to properly put the PineTime to sleep, not just people who peek into the docs every Saturday.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah, I'm not referring to drivers. I'm thinking of things like PureOS

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

We're talking about low level software that makes the hardware usable here, the reason that Raspberry Pi is the king of this market is because they have the software support that allows their hardware to just work. Pine64 relies on the community to do this for each of the boards they release.

Pine64's most successful products have been the ones they release as full products with working firmware.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sure thats true as long as the basic support on compatibility is there, but as I understand it Pine is so hardware-only that they make it hard for other projects to even support their hardware, i.e. with lacking drivers as the other comment addressed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

for example to make sure you have got drivers.

but then, you need software for less computer-like devices too, like a smart watch or earbuds. do you immediately reflash those too? and who will make the software?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Especially when software already exists, it prevent duplicating efforts.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I was under the impression that infinitime was more of a community effort than a pine64 effort?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It is, but they are talking about the hardware in these last release notes, about a chip that will get replaced in the actual hardware, therefor i don't think they are completely dead! Long lice Pine64

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is the same/similar problem that Nokia/Maemo and Sailfish/merOS have all had.

Some things are binary-blobs + NDAs and many things are still locked, the OSS community can only do so much before they hit the commercial roadblocks.

We need a complete CoreBoot + OSS silicon-chips + OSS firmware + all-community / all-commercial dual production lines.

The open-source-based company should be able to sell both the commercial locked-version and the oss-all-unlocked-version with the ability to switch infinitely between the two models.

But the world of electronics rarely will ever work or reach that level of interoperability , repairability or recycling this way. Not for a long time maybe in some distant future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

We need a complete CoreBoot + OSS silicon-chips + OSS firmware + all-community / all-commercial dual production lines.

Where are the gaps?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

My wife has one, it's been a long time since she have talked about it though.
She used to mention when improvements were made.

Edit: Pinephone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which distro does she have installed?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mobian of course she says.
( She uses Debian on the computer )

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have an amazing wife. Now install Gentoo on her device

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Deblobbed wife, happy life

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I don't know if having an unavailable wife for the next 10 years to let her compile is a "happy life" thought.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One what? Pine64 is a company with a bunch of different products

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Sorry silly me, a Pinephone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

https://pine64.org/2024/03/17/march-update-making-waves/

Doesn't look dead to me.

Are you wanting monthly updates or something?

I don't get why people freak out if they don't see constant updates. Is this the result of Fortinite updates on one's brain?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They had monthly updates almost 2 years straight. They weren't big but they had the latest news. The fact they suddenly went quite with little community engagement is concerning to me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most orgs can't have someone doing marketing full-time.

If its one update per year, they're alive and focusing on the important stuff

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Except this is incredibly uncharacteristic for Pine64. They rely heavily on volunteers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Sometimes this can just be that the person driving engagement has moved on or shifted focus. I don't think it's a large company by any means.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To me that just signifies the company has stabilized and no longer needs to put out statements constantly to keep eyes on them for marketing reasons.

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