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Someone made a mod to bypass the PSN login for God of War Ragnarök, and it works (www.pcgamer.com)

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[+] [email protected] -46 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Why is logging in to third party accounts the end of the world?

I play on PC too, and while it's somewhat obnoxious dealing with Ubisoft or EA, and I also have a Playstation account, I don't understand the big ordeal with just signing in to their stupid thing. Play the game until you've had enough, then be done.

You need to sign in to Steam, or Epic, or Gog or whatever. You probably sign in to emails and other accounts. Tons of things have your data whether you like it or not. The outrage all the time on this kind of thing feels really misplaced and overblown.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Your line is fucked, you're bored, can't play the game.

5 years down, you want to play it again, but there's no server anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

It's a case of voting with your wallet for most people. There are degrees of DRM that people are willing to put up with; where some people would rather go for DRM-free games on GOG, others are happy with one launcher like Steam and some others will accept each game launching its own launcher from within a meta launcher/store front.

To be honest it's a matter of personal preference and I try to be in the 2nd group but I don't mind what other people do. Again, personally, I dislike the idea of being apathetically brow beaten into signing up for dozens of services for the convenience of companies which provide no utility to me. Sometimes these launchers actively harm the experience by disabling steam launch options or bricking the game completely if you don't live in the right country.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Well you sign in into those other services like email or steam because you need an account to use those services.

But a single player game released on steam does not need it. Steam provides its own DRM that publishers/developers can use if that's what they want to achieve with an account.

Case in point the mod this post is about, the game doesn't need an account yet Sony is trying to force it.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I hear what you're saying, but think about it this way, should I have to log into my dvd player to watch a movie? There wouldn't be any added experience. What about 10 years down the line when Sony decides to shut off PSN? Will they take the time to remove the requirement or will they do what they've done in the past and just drop support?

Forcing people to be online and log into shit is just an unnecessary hassle so that they can keep making money off their paying customers. From what I can tell, this does nothing for us. If we just "get over it" then companies will continue to be exploitive. Expressing frustration, especially as a customer is important.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Same sort of argument for more government surveillance. "I have nothing to hide". Yeah, you have nothing to hide from the government, but what about your crazy ex? Overbearing parent? Because all it takes is one hack and now your information is available to anyone who'll pay, maybe even for free at some point.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

100% agree, other than the ratio of countries that can legitimately create a PSN account (and/or buy the game).

Otherwise, seems just like the Games For Windows live stuff that people didn't love but certainly didn't care this much about.

E.g. Fallout 3, pre-goty.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Because it serves no purpose.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know even better. You just have to go to the gym and ask one girl for a free copy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Some fit lady you say?

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[–] [email protected] 171 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

New bypass just dropped: not buying a single-player game that makes you create and log into a third-party service exclusively because that service wants money in the form of your data/wants to enforce DRM.

Edit: the 'Steam tho' comments below are true and Steam's DRM does suck (I use GOG when I can), but they miss the point I'm making, which is that if you're buying a game through Steam, you already have the account set up to comply with the DRM. That's just inherent to the steps of purchasing the game on Steam. Whereas for something like a Sony account here, you don't necessarily have that, and unlike Steam for instance that at least has the value proposition of cloud saves, you're getting fuck-all in return here. Additionally, this account is used for likely only one or two games, just introducing a needless logistical hurdle for account management. Think of how many dozens of essentially burner accounts you would have if every game publisher put this bullshit in.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Steam is DRM too, just so you know

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Every time... No, Steam is not DRM. I mean, technically it is, but if you consider Steam DRM you must also consider every other game store DRM.

Usually when we talk about Drams we're talking about things that try to prevent copyright infringement, steam does not do that. It does offers an API which games can implement which has a naive form of DRM, but games are not forced to use it, and a lot of games don't. More often than not you can simply copy the game folder from steam to another computer without steam and run the game there, therefore no DRM.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

you're wrong. steam absolutely is DRM and works exactly as such. but it's not mandatory, and there are games that opt to not use steam DRM. so there are many DRM-free games on Steam, more than a thousand at this point, but also many times more that can't be launched without Steam.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

so there are many DRM-free games on Steam, more than a thousand at this point, but also many times more that can't be launched without Steam.

Steam is pretty lenient with their offline mode tbh. What I don't like is when I launch a game from Steam library and it prompts for login to some other launcher.

As a publisher, what is the data that Sony can get from forcing the PS account that they can't get from Steam? I assume Steam provides all the relevant data to the publishers already?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

as with almost every such case, they want you in their ecosystem. some benefits here and there, some in game extras, maybe some discounts, and you're hopefully now invested in their service, which means you're more likely to consider their games over others, since you might now consider the extra benefits you get from playing their games ... stuff like that.

I'm not saying steam isn't more costumer friendly than most other DRM; in just saying that claiming it isn't one or that you can play any steam game without Steam is flat out wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So, no steam as well?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Sounds good to me. It's annoying that connecting to a store and a social media platform has become so normalized. I just want to play a game.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

That's what I thought back in 2007. Now I kinda like the convenience. If they added an option to download the games, like GOG, it'd be perfect.

Steam DRM is a joke anyways and not all games on steam have it, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to get rid of it.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

It's okay, disability discount is available for everyone with a peg leg, eyepatch, or hook hand.