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    submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
     
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    [–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

    What's system md? Sounds like the name of 90s anti-virus software.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Norton McCaffersky System MD Super Scanner Virus Protection.

    [–] [email protected] 82 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    Fuck me, I'm crylaughing at this

    [–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Bullshit, there's always reasons listed. Some more, some less opiniated, but there's always lists.

    For me personally:

    • no portability
    • not-invented-here syndrome
      • manages stuff it shouldn't, like DNS
      • makes some configurations unneccessarily complicated
    • more CVE than all other init together
      • service manager that runs with PID 0
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    [–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I feel like anyone who genuinely has a strong opinion on this and isn't actively developing something related has too much time on their hands ricing their desktop and needs to get a job

    [–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    As someone who's not a developer at all and has been making a comic about systemd for a rather small audience, it's worse than you think: We actually have stuff to do and procrastinate on them while spending time and thoughts in this, reading old blog posts and forum debates as if deciphering Sumerian epic poems. Many pages were made while I was supposed to be preparing for exams, which I barely passed. Others when I should've been cleaning up for moving. I think part of the reason why I haven't made any in a while is that with a faithful audience being born and waiting for the next chapter, it's started feeling like something I had to do, and therefore, the type of stuff I procrastinate on.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Congratulations on passing your exams! Hang in there. 🙂

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    My full-time job literally involves dealing with systemd's crap. There is a raspberry pi that controls all of our signage. Every time it is powered on, systemd gets stuck because it's trying to mount two separate partitions to the same mount point, whereupon I have to take a keyboard and a ladder, climb up the ceiling, plug in the keyboard, and press Enter to get it to boot. I've tried fixing it, but all I did was break it more.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    can you get something besides a pi?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Curious, how does changing one of them to a different mount point make things worse?

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    I'm gonna laugh if it's something as simple as a botched fstab config.

    In the past, it's usually been the case that the more ignorant I am about the computer system, the stronger my opinions are.

    When I first started trying out Linux, I was pissed at it and would regularly rant to anyone who would listen. All because my laptop wouldn't properly sleep: it would turn off, then in a few minutes come back on; turns out the WiFi card had a power setting that was causing it to wake the computer up from sleep.

    After a year of avoiding the laptop, a friend who was visiting from out of town and uses Arch btw took one look at it, diagnosed and fixed it in minutes. I felt like a jackass for blaming the linux world for intel's non-free WiFi driver being shit. (in my defense, I had never needed to toggle this setting when the laptop was originally running Windows).

    The worst part is that I'm a sysadmin, diagnosing and fixing computer problems should be my specialty. Instead I failed to put in the minimum amount of effort and just wrote the entire thing off as a lost cause. Easier then questioning my own infallibility, I suppose.

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    [–] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

    systemd gets stuck because it's trying to mount two separate partitions to the same mount point

    Uh... Sounds like it's not really systemd's fault, your setup is just terrible.

    I've tried fixing it, but all I did was break it more.

    If you're unable to fix it, maybe get somebody else? Like, this doesn't sound like it's an unfixable issue...

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Uh… Sounds like it’s not really system’s fault, your setup is just terrible.

    I don't know his specific issue, but the general behavior of systemd going completely nuts when something is a bit 'off' in some fashion that is supremely confusing. Sure, there's a 'mistake', but good luck figuring out what that mistake is. It's just systemd code tends to be awfully picky in obscure ways.

    Then when someone comes along with a change to tolerate or at least provide a more informative error when some "mistake" has been made is frequently met with "no, there's no sane world where a user should be in that position, so we aren't going to help them out of that" or "that application does not comply with standard X", where X is some standard the application developer would have no reason to know exists, and is just something the systemd guys latched onto.

    See the magical privilege escalation where a user beginning with a number got auto-privileges, and Pottering fought fixing it because "usernames should never begin with a number anyway".

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Do people still debate about systemd?

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    [–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
    [     *] (3 of 3) A stop job is running for User Manager for UID 1000... (1m12s / 3m)
    
    [–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)
    # nano /etc/systemd/{system,user}.conf
    ----
    DefaultTimeoutStopSec=10s
    

    You're welcome.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    What is the default of the default?

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    [–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    OH LOOK A CONF FILE TO EDIT.

    Full circle, bitches.

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    [–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

    Type reboot into an SSH session and play everyone's favorite game show...

    WILL IT ACTUALLY DO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

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