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post textPicture this:

  1. You type on Google "laptop won't turn on"
  2. Google now knows you have a broken laptop and can estimate how desperate you are to fix it.
  3. Because it knows how desperate you are, it can increase shop prices proportionally.

You are going to pay the maximum they get you to pay.

That's algorithmic pricing.

The more companies know about you, the more they can predict and sell how desperate you are to other stores out there.

An internet-connected car knows much more about you than you realize. A smart TV also knows what you like. Your Alexa knows if there is a problem in the home.

Privacy is much more than just sensitive data.

It's about not giving leverage away.

Because algorithms will use it against you.

Be safe out there.

Nostr.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Protip: Before buying a laptop, google "homeless shelters in Detroit".

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

I'm going to engineer an llm which continuously complains on social media that I don't have enough money to buy a new laptop until it drops below x price

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I agree with the broad premise that your information has value, but I wouldn't worry about Google increasing prices just for you. Companies still control their own websites and they aren't going to allow another company to change what they change directly.

What Google sells is the ability for a company to get their website in front of your eyes. They sell the top spaces in your search results. A company who doesn't pay Google gets pushed to page two.vor three. Now in a sense that increases your prices because the cost of the companies increased ad budgets is passed on to you.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Okay so fast-forward ~~ten~~ two more years beyond that (it doesn't matter how much - all of this is already in the past anyway:-P): virtually everyone (from your area) has an internet presence. But for you, all "they" see is a tiny stream of encrypted traffic to servers outside of your home country. Or maybe a large stream, whatever - are you downloading child pornography perhaps? Or are you a terrorist, trying to evade detection by the "legitimate" establishment, who is simply trying to "help" you to set the price for fixing your laptop?

Bam, they charge you the maximum amount for the repair anyway, then tack on a fee for the extra effort involved in having to investigate you further, making the final price double what it would have been. And this happens for every single item you buy, plus you cannot get a job b/c you don't have a FacedInLinkThread account. The best sheeples get the best pricing structures...

This isn't something that individuals can fight easily, without a rather extreme amount of effort involved. Hence we should fight it together.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Fast food joints already offer lower prices in their apps than at the drive through. You pay the difference through all the data they harvest.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Yes I have an order ready for a "None-ya", is there a "None-ya" here? Is anyone here named "None-ya bidness"?

It's a damnable choice, that's for sure. Let them see literally everything that you do - in the sense of every single app that you have installed on that same machine - or else pay the extra price. Ngl, depending on how often I visit each place, I've gone both ways on this. Also, rather than recall a unique password for every site that is accessible from your mobile and potentially synched with a desktop, if you log in using a Play/Google or App/Apple account, then they have that link too - it's just so convenient though!

It used to be email addresses. Now that still happens, but the ratchet has moved up to include phones. This is why I refuse to put banking apps onto any mobile devices - they are not "computers", nor are they "yours", most often even when rooted & with the OS replaced, b/c of the corruption that Google has introduced into the core Android OS.

But... what else can we do, other than choose which manner of payment we will offer the wolves? Even if that is only in terms of our efforts, time, and attention spans (and possibly the cost of a 2nd phone or at least SIM:-P) - they manage to define so many of our actions even if only in the negative sense of what we rail against. That part is inevitable, so the only question remaining is how much do we give in.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this is why everyone should stop using google

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is a pretty great point. I never looked at privacy through this window.

Looks like I’m going to migrate in been considering proton for some time now anyway.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

keep in mind nothing is immune to enshittification. assume that everything you do online, even with proton or other "privacy first" companies, exists online. forever. and even if a company stays true to their "privacy first" policy, inevitably, they'll be breached, and it'll all be out in the world anyway

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[–] [email protected] 215 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Here's the one that convinced my dad that connecting everything is bad:

Your smart fridge knows what's inside and knows you just added a 12 pack of soda and donuts to the shopping list. They sell that data to a bunch of companies, including your insurance company. They know you have diabetes.

Your insurance rates just went up for the fifth time this year because your insurance company knows what you're eating.

And it's a good thing you don't drink beer or your car insurance would have gone up 'due to increased risk factors.' too bad you wanted to buy a new car this year.

Not only can you not afford it now, the price went up because they know you want a car. I'm sure they would make a payment deal with you though.

And every company will know all about the deal, the beer, the donuts, and all it took was sending money to whatever company had the information, and they were more than happy to sell it.

The more we allow companies to freely operate like this without regulation and without proper punishment for breaking the rules, we will continue sliding toward the hellscape of Ferenginar. For the non trekkies, it's a hyper-capitalist species of profit-driven assholes.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

when google gave away those google assistant spheres some years ago for free, i ordered one just to have one less of those fucking things out in the world. it went straight in the trash

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

It’s like Ron Swanson and the vegan bacon

[–] [email protected] 135 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The best thing is these companies will say it's not violation of your privacy because they sell the data without a direct link to your name or address. But guess what? They bundle it with all kinds of other identifiers like age, sex, weight, approximate location, whatever else you give them. The insurance company then takes that and modifies the category that is specifically this age bracket, approximate location, weight, age, beer and donuts in the fridge. And surprise! You fit all these "anonymous" identifiers.
But no harm done, your identity is safe 👍

[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it would seem like someone's name is the least useful data point

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 months ago (5 children)

That's the whole thing about browser fingerprinting too. Take the set of internet users who have a particular version of a particular operating system, a particular version of a particular browser, having a particular set of typefaces installed, having a particular language preference, and you'll find yourself in the intersection of all of them.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Remember, kids, it only takes 32 bits to uniquely identify any person on the planet. That's 32 yes or no questions. Of course, they have to be perfectly crafted questions, but identifying power of fingerprinting must not be underestimated.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Actually I think the world population is such that you need to add one or two bits.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Ok, fine, 33 bits 😂 Wikipedia says the world population is 8 billion, and python tells me that math.log2(8e9) is 32.897.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

Clearly we all need to upgrade our personalities to a new 64-bit architecture.

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