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It makes peace with voting for the Biden (sopuli.xyz)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Edit: new and improved image, now with 100% less support! Used my expert photo editing skills to change "supporting" to say "voting for"

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe it kills the trump.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Not the message you want to spread...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Ain't it the truth, though? Four more years of Bipartisanship With Fascists or we give you Pure Fascism.

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[+] [email protected] -18 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Downvote me if you, but I still don’t understand what was so terrible about Trump. No new wars, cheap gas, cheap groceries, good economy, literally the worst thing I can recall from those years was reading in the news every day trying to explain why Trump was literally the worst thing that had ever happened to America.

Until 2020 happened, that is; but even if he admittedly didn’t do a great job at handling COVID or the George Floyd protests, I’m not sure Hillary would have done any better, or could have avoided them entirely.

Now everything is expensive as hell, everyone is depressed and angry all the time, but at least the news are mostly saying Biden is doing a great job, things are fine and everything is under control. It’s as if cognitive dissonance has become the new normal.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

If you don't mind lots of new corruption in the federal government, maybe Trump seemed ok. But here you go:

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-atrocities-1-1-056#2017

I’m not sure Hillary would have done any better

I think if Hilary was President, we'd have had a serious conversation about policing reform.

Now everything is expensive as hell

This is mainly due to the Fed under Trump printing a shit ton of new money. Remember all the "money printer go brr" memes? And remember how everyone said it would cause huge inflation? Yeah it just took a minute to kick in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Inflation wasn't caused by "printing money", or even COVID PPP loans being unpaid. It was mainly caused by businesses realizing they controlled many aspects of people's lives.

When people were paying $50 for some toilet paper, most daily essentials companies realized that people were willing to pay more than they expected. There are very few tp companies and not many Americans install a bidet.

Americans mostly got raises during COVID and that allowed many companies to raise prices. You always have to eat, clean your house, wash your clothes, go to the bathroom, etc. This is just the consequence of a lack of competition among companies in the US (and other countries).

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[+] [email protected] -6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

>Downvote me if you, but I still don’t understand what was so terrible about Trump. No new wars, cheap gas, cheap groceries, good economy, literally the worst thing I can recall from those years was reading in the news every day trying to explain why Trump was literally the worst thing that had ever happened to America.

since the mid 2010s fascism has been marching across the world. golden dawn (the grecian fascists) had even set up a remote office in chicago. le pen almost won in france. AfD won seats in germany. and in america, protectionist, anti-immigrant rhetoric made our neo-nazis think that trump is their guy. literally. they called him "our guy".

the traditionalist workers party marched in california, and knifed the high schoolers who showed up to resist them. people knew richard spencer's name. they embraced the "deplorable" moniker. and their guy was getting more news coverage than practically all other "news" events combined. there seemed to be no repercussions for the street violence from the right.

trump's xenophobia made many believe he was literally hitler. his first moves in office, like the muslim travel ban, only heightened this sense. the orwellian phrases "fake news" and "alternative facts" also served to compound the sense that things were very wrong.

but in the 3 years that followed, i have to admit that his rhetoric sucked but his actual actions in office were pretty benign. his judicial appointments were fucking dystopian, but not unexpected for any other republican like cruz or rubio. his executive appointments (like department of education) were likewise awful-but-expected.

i still won't vote for him. but i didn't vote for biden, and i won't be doing that this year either unless there are some significant moves from biden that i don't believe are reasonable to expect.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yet another disingenuous, "just asking questions," huh? "Oh no the news is out to get him when he did nothing wrong!"

Everything is as expensive as hell because Donald and the GQP have given out trillions in handouts to the wealthy, given out three years of tax cuts to the wealthy, blocked all attempts at fair wages, blocked all attempts at affordable healthcare, blocked all attempts at taxing corporations. Somehow we have both high price inflation and record profits for every corporation. That's not adding up. It's only Biden's fault if you're deliberately ignoring reality.

Of course we should also consider Donald is a lifelong crook and a rapist who is corrupt as fuck. Biden won't sell state secrets to Russia and the Saudis like Donald did.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yet another disingenuous, "just asking questions," huh? "Oh no the news is out to get him when he did nothing wrong!"

“Right off the bat, let me accuse you of something I have no proof for, just to frame this as an honest and fair debate.”

Everything is as expensive as hell because Donald and the GQP have given out trillions in handouts to the wealthy, given out three years of tax cuts to the wealthy, blocked all attempts at fair wages, blocked all attempts at affordable healthcare, blocked all attempts at taxing corporations.

That doesn’t make any sense, why would any of those things make consumer prices more expensive?

Wages DID rise under Biden but they’re barely keeping up with inflation so for the average worker, things are no better now than they were under Trump, or am I wrong there?

Somehow we have both high price inflation and record profits for every corporation. That's not adding up. It's only Biden's fault if you're deliberately ignoring reality.

Okay so how is that Trump’s fault though? Did the handouts he gave help keep prices low and now that Biden isn’t giving any, they’re trying to make their profit by raising prices instead? Explain.

Of course we should also consider Donald is a lifelong crook and a rapist who is corrupt as fuck. Biden won't sell state secrets to Russia and the Saudis like Donald did.

And Biden isn’t? Did he not have a lifelong friendship with a KKK grand wizard? Did he not say he didn’t want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle? Did he not sponsor the 1994 crime bill that put millions of black people in jail for minor offenses? Is his son not a drug addict who films himself banging underage Chinese hookers and then leaves the footage on laptop he forgets to pick up from the repair guy?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

LOL "no proof" of the deliberate dishonesty disguised as questioning. Thank you for ending the comment with some classic insane right talking points so that we know you're utterly disinterested in the truth.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm gonna put it in a bulleted list so it's easier for you to understand:

Trump is racist
Trump is a rapist
Trump is a serial sexual abuser
Trump was Putin's lapdog
Trump stacked the courts, making it possible for them to take away basic rights we've held for decades
Trump normalized bigotry to the point where people of basically all minorities are worse off as long as he's popular
Trump tried to organize a fucking violent coup to falsify an election and keep himself in power
Trump was impeached
Trump immediately appointed his unqualified children to high positions of power
Trump tried to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland, after Puerto Rico was devastated by a hurricane
Trump withdrew from the Paris Accord, and generally reversed lots of efforts on slowing climate change
Trump appointed a "birth control skeptic", anti-abortion advocate, and abstinence-only believer to the head of the family planning board
Trump nominated a climate change skeptic to chair the White House's climate advisory board
Trump cut corporate taxes to their lowest level in decades
Trump oversaw the longest government shutdown in history
Trump allowed border facilities that separated children from parents and kept people in cages
Trump had BLM protesters gassed so he could take a photo with an upside-down Bible
Trump has been charged with several crimes since leaving office, most of which are still in ongoing legal proceedings
Trump stole highly classified documents from the white house and stored them in boxes at his residence, and evidence suggests those documents have since made their way into foreign adversaries' hands

Now everything is expensive as hell

Because of Trump's piss-poor handling of Covid and four years of corporate welfare

everyone is depressed and angry all the time

Because the orange man and his supporters are still threatening our democracy daily

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Trump supporters like those things, they just don't want to say it publicly. Just ask them "what do you think of (any minority group)?" and watch them squirm.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

If you're going to be a skin suit, might as well be a good one

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Obviously the only solution is to vote Trump out of spite!

Cut to Buffalo Bill (GOP) wearing the DNCs skin

Edit: only one party gave us trump and to put the blame anywhere else is aggressively stupid.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Obviously the only solution is to vote Trump out of spite!

Not voting is a vote for Trump.

Voting third party is no better than not voting.

Also, we need you to ~~Like, Subscribe, and Share~~ Donate, Blockwalk, and GOTV or you're not really committed! And if Biden loses? It's somehow still your fault for being insufficiently zealous.

only one party gave us trump

They Always Wanted Trump: Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If there were some kind of guarantee that the DNC collapsed on a Trump victory...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Like not having elections anymore?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I thought they were talking death camps but yeah, what you said.

If we look at history though... a Trump win would put the DNC in the head lights of an authoritarian government. Let's be real here, people on the capitol have nothing to fear. They might make an example of some high profiles but the rest will deal to sell the country down the shitter.

See you all at the end of the world I guess. Life under Biden would have been meh and I guess that's worth dying for.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

Lol

I like the implication that in this scenario, the actual threat of getting the trump again is coming from the same person that's instructing to put the Biden on its skin. Also that in the end, 'it' gets made into a skin suit either way

I also like the flexibility: it could just as easily be leftists threatening the DNC with getting the trump again

If this is a bit it's absolutely perfect, 10/10

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (10 children)

I'll go further: actually bothering to talk about some of the positive things that happened under his presidency will be necessary for him to win.

If progressives, leftists, antifascists, etc. can only manage to offer a "I guess he's not a literal pile of shit so maybe I'll consider holding my nose and voting," there's no permission structure for Enlightened Centrists™, Never-Trumpers, or even tired Democrats, to turn out. Trump voters are mad as hell. Lots of them really think the election was stolen from him. They're going to turn out.

We need more than holding your nose.

The child tax credit cut child poverty by possibly as much as 46%. Biden's campaigning on bringing it back to stimulus levels. That's money in the pockets of people who need it the most.

Biden tried to forgive student loan debt. Conservative judges blocked him. Re-elect him so he can keep appointing judges and finding new ways to fight against more bad decisions like this.

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act may include some of the most impactful climate policies ever enacted by any American congress since the creation of the EPA.

There are "yes, but"s for each of those points I made but my argument is simple: you don't get to make more accomplishments if you don't talk about the ones you made already.

This hasn't been a perfect administration, we've never had one. But he damn sure hasn't done nothing when it comes to some of the most important political issues of our time.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

LGBTQ+ rights

Climate action

Student loan forgiveness

Protect reproductive healthcare

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's weird that there's been so much accomplished but so little talk about it. I only ever hear them listed at the end of a Brian Tyler Cohen video.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To me the issue stems from DNCs reluctance to whole heartedly accepting a progressive platform. They think skating by sipping progressive lite is appeasing the "moderates." When really there are no moderates left to think of. If you are even considering Trump you are full right. No question.

It's hard to give credit to a party that will trip over its own dick to compromise on every single policy.

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