seriously, what was HAMAS' end-game here?
surely they knew that they couldn't defend Gaza against Israel?
Did they miscalculate the risk and think Israel wouldn't react?
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Ah yes israel committing Genocide is actually Hamas' fault.
He/she didn't blame them, they asked what was their plan. One can twist the words to make a pointless statement. Or one could choose to provide some background that might actually bring the commenter to your side. Help the cause by informing.
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Please don't put words in my mouth.
I asked what Hamas wanted to achieve by attacking Israel.
Even I would have predicted Israel would lash out. And I'm not really familiar with Israel. So surely Israels direct neighbours, who swore to destroy it, would know it well enough to know how it would react.
What was their plan? What the fuck do they gain from this useless war and destruction?
Do you know how many generations Palestinians have been dying to this shit?
Humans have a finite capacity to endure things before shit starts getting irrational all around.
Revenge was never rational, really.
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What I find laughable are all the Americans who I watched demand the deaths of Muslims and Arabs from decades, suddenly want to play the moral paragons and defenders of Palestine. Americans fucked my country too and they just move on to the next outrage, without apologizing, making amends or anything. They wreck half the world, then turn around and moralize to us.
See the thing is you are scribing to all Americans what the media shows you. The media makes money on extremes. So they hand pick who's opinion you here. Hardly anyone I know here in America actually demanded the deaths of Muslims and Arabs at all. It was still too many, but far from what the media would have you believe.
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Without supporting any kind of violence. And without denying anything.
I feel obligated to say that this is purposely manipulated. As pictures taken in very different times of day and year make for a faulty comparison that does not portrait reallity.
Specially the time of day (that make shadows disappear on the right picture) and the sandy surfaces make it seems like the image on the right it's all flat and that buildings are leveled to the ground. And that's simply not true. It's just optical illusions.
This does not mean that the areas was not subjected to heavy bombardment, and that all people on that area may have been killed by bombs. But the images presented are just manipulative and I'm against media manipulation no matter how good intentions are behind the manipulative attempt.
The fact that this has as many downvotes as upvotes makes me want to avoid anything political on lemmy, and go back to just shitposting about Linux distros.
Not at all you can clearly see many houses having fully disappeared by being flattened with bulldozers
Let me correct that for you. It should be: Yes, though I agree you can also see some places where houses were leveled by bulldozer.
The angle the photos were taken from are also different. That increases the appearance of devastation beyond what is actually there. This image is an intention exaggeration of something that was already unacceptable. Doing so erodes confidence in information about the things happening there. Who knows, maybe this was even created by the IDF for that purpose.
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Just a small "limited operation" as was promised by Joe Biden.
You mean just as small and quick as the Russian special military operation in Ukraine?
That’s a great comparison. We should stop sending weapons to both aggressors.
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Hamas did this /s
Sadly they certainly helped. And very likely Isreali agents encouraged and supported them to do it. There are certainly power hungry people in hamas who saw this as an opportunity to increase their power at the expense of their people. Just like the Israeli politicians are openly doing now. And American politicians... and... These people pit two sides against each other for thier own personal gain and to stop the people from seeing the real enemy. Been like this for centuries...
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Definitely a proportionate response. Doing their best to reproduce carpet bombing in a world where carpet bombing no longer works without using a nuke. Takes a lot of effort, effort better spent elsewhere...
Fuck Israel
The before and after sliders are the saddest thing I've seen in a while.
~~It shows, the weapons they used really flatted the area, there's no chance of surviving this, if you were hiding somewhere within.~~
Edit: Ok, the layer of sand/soil over everything makes the whole seem much flatter than it is. When you zoom in, you can notice some buildings almost invisible but still standing. When zoomed out a little, they're gone. But even so...
I needed to cross check in Egypt zu see how the buildings look like as reference.
Still lots of destruction.
That's insane.
It should however be noted that the new image is taken at a different angle and likely time of day. So the destruction looks exaggerated. If you look closely you can find several buildings that look destroyed at first glance, are actually intact but just hard to spot.
Israel did this because they thought it would make them safer. The future generations won't forget this. They might as well make their country an island
No, the didn't do this because "they think it will make them safer" they knew exactly what they doing and that's why there is a genocide case against them.
I'm sure they would if they could
I'm sorry but your point is anchored on an old Propaganda myth of Israel.
Israel's lack of safety comes from them having stolen Palestinian land and continuing to steal Palestinian land, for decades.
If safety was their prime objective, they could stop stealing Palestinian land, give back at least some Palestinian land and compensate the victims for the rest (I am assuming here that Israel would keep some of the originally stolen land to continue to exist as a nation).
They have chosen not to do that and instead they have chosen to use force against Palestinians to stop their just rage at having their land stolen and have chosen to Genocide Palestinians to finally take away the rest of their land.
Safety is not the primary reason for the actions of Israel. Safety is an excuse and at best a second or third order reason derived from their real primary reason:
- Israel did this (as they did most of what they did to Palestinians for 7 decades) because they want to steal all the Palestinian land.
They might as well make their country an island
They'd probably prefer that
They did it because they want to genocide Palestine - this only creates a bunch of people with justifiable hatred of Israel and nothing to lose.
If they wanted to be safer, they wouldn't have funded Hamas' displacement of the secular moderates, gleefully committed and publicised thousands of warcrimes, established an ethnostate, conducted decades of land grabs, or scream maniacally about a second, bigger Amalek.
The kids surviving this, will have all the right to make hell rain upon these monsters.
Sorry, this "only defending ourselves" farce is absurd and we, the so called "civilized world", had an obligation to stop this a long time ago.
Anti-Fucking-Israel is no Anti-Semitism!
The kids surviving this
You innocent child, Israel is making sure there's no kids surviving this.
The kids surviving this,
That's why Israel's plan is to literally exterminate them all.
The kids surviving this, will have all the right to make hell rain upon these monsters.
They won't. The folks getting bombed to paste are going to struggle just to survive into the next few years. They are going to be in no position to resist their oppressors. Those who have the guns make the rules, and the IDF is far better armed thanks to the billions of dollars in military aid Americans continue to ship them.
This apartheid will continue until Americans agree to boycott the Israeli military.
Iran has plenty of money and guns to pass around. Proxy wars are the main course for the modern history of the middle east. I find saying that they won't find a way to bite back extremely ignorant of the reality on the ground and all of human history really... Most revolts were made by desperate people that had literally nothing on their own, either had to receive it from a third party of questionable intent or steal it.
Iran has plenty of money and guns to pass around.
The Gaza Strip was fully firewalled off from the surrounding states. Iran wasn't sending any aid - military or otherwise - into Palestine. You may have it confused with The West Bank, which the Israelis are also rapidly chewing up and demolishing. But - again - when you destroy all the civilian infrastructure and turn the territory into a post-apocolyptic hellscape, there's no place to live much less launch a rebellion out of.
Like the Afghanis?
"I was only following orders!!"
That is grim. Repost that.
Remember when the US government said invading rafah would be "too far"?
The talkie-talkie of the US government not matching their walkie-walkie.
What! A! Shocker!
But but but, October 7th was unjustifiable, so surely it justifies this! These two things are absolutely, for sure, 100% the same thing! /S
It's ok, just think of all the 4 year old hamas terrorists they killed!
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