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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

damn, how dare that kid miss.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's already 10-15 degrees above normal here consistantly. We're screwed regardless.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

But we signed a lot of environmental treaties that no one ever intended to keep their promises on. So yay, us!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would really like to just be able to ignore the shitshow of US elections the world is subjected to every four years. But unfortunately the consequences are potentially huge for anyone living in this planet. And we haven't even lived down George Dubya yet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Friend, most of us in the States don't want to hear about it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I really don't know it would get "far, far worse" that the way we are currently heading to. I just think he may get us there faster

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

There is still a chance to keep things somewhat under control. But with Trump it will be a lot harder.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I don't think hyperbole like damage lasting for millenia is worth much. People don't think in such terms and the only people who will listen to that are those who are already on the side of climate action.

The articles call to arms is right, but this is not the way to beat trump. Instead of damage for millenia, the focus needs to be on convincing people that his short termist policies will damage then financially and personally.

Instead of cheap renewable electricity he wants to use voters tax money to subsidies and promote fossil fuels. Instead of clean cars in cities and towns, he wants to choke you and your children with petrol fumes.

An image of trump in a jacket covered in fossil fuel company sponsorship logos, and trying to force an exhaust pipe down a child's throat is the kind of thing that summarises his position. We're not trying to convince die hard republicans, just the moderate centre / undecideds that trump will harm them and their children directly with his policies, let alone millenia of damage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I agree. Fear mongering is a huge turn off. It's weak, low effort, and for me, incites a sense of rebellion. There's already sooo much low hanging fruit ripe for relation to just about anyone, why stoop to fear tactics? Let the rotten fruit lie on the ground.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Whether Trump or Harris wins, the US military is still the single largest institutional emitter of greenhouse gases in the world.

Will global warming be accelerated under Trump? Yeah, probably, but the problem is here and now. Without addressing the US military complex emissions and billionaires taking space walks, the speed is a relatively moot point.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's hard to imagine being someone who doesn't know this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This someone can also be the one ignorant on how damaging Trump could have with foreign policy, and i just happened to know that someone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I keep getting this feeling that Trump is a symptom of self-loathing, on a large scale.

The people who vote for him don't actually care to make the world a better place, they don't care about the destructive policies that will come from his administration, they don't even really care what Trump actually does. It's more that they feel an unconscious emotional kinship with a man who hates himself so much that he has to spend every waking moment getting other people to tell him how great he is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I think there's a few core reasons

Some people would act like him if given the opportunity, so they identify with him or think he'd give them opportunities

Some people just feel isolated and know the world is getting worse but not why, so they latch onto the guy giving easy answers and simple solutions

And some people are just drawn to the idea of fascism or authoritarianism, even if they don't realize what that entails

I'd put the self loathing in the first camp - many of them get through life through projection. They think everyone is like them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

There’s definitely a mental illness or two in there somewhere.