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Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

saw this ridiculous shit on the side of a jag on the highway a little bit ago

best guess is rental-contract jag by a hustler, but the half-hearted AI non-mention is why I thought to post it here. we're rapidly evolving in the grift cycle!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Taylor Swift is on the side of humans* in the battle against the AIs (instagram).

Recently I was made aware that AI of ‘me’ falsely endorsing Donald Trump’s presidential run was posted to his site. It really conjured up my fears around AI, and the dangers of spreading misinformation. It brought me to the conclusion that I need to be very transparent about my actual plans for this election as a voter. The simplest way to combat misinformation is with the truth.

I'm sure everyone remembers what this is referring to, y'know with the rest of the US election being so low-key and boring, but just in case here's an article with screenshots (Guardian).

Anyway I'm not here to talk politics. SwiftOnSecurity (spoiler: probably not actually Taylor Swift) thinks Taylor Swift will be a "cultural linchpin" against deepfakes.

As I've said before, Taylor Swift may be the cultural lynchpin for addressing abusive AI imitation and I think this was her personal opening salvo. Taylor Swift was previously driven to political advocacy partly by right-wing memes of her aping Hilter on genetic purity. I think she takes INCREDIBLE personal exception to herself being used as a puppet and this directly aligns with it. Directly addressed to political leaders.

Indeed that Donald Trump post isn't the first time she's been targeted. There was Deepfake Swift Porn in January that prompted Microsoft to add more safeguards**. A scam involving fake Le Creuset cookware (nytimes), and on a lighter note: fake Taylor Swift teaching Math on TikTok (Petapixel, whatever the heck a petapixel is).

The January incident prompted some legislatures to introduce the No AI Fraud Act, though looking at it it looks like it hasn't made it far through congress.

* Maybe not on the side of humans against climate change. With the private jet and all. God the US needs trains then at least all the celebrities could ride in luxurious rail cars like the olden days.

** Not sure about Microsoft but these safeguards aren't effective in general, I found a subreddit of people sharing AI image generator prompt tips to get around filters and it was pretty disturbing. But that's another story.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

With the private jet and all.

A story I heard, one of the problems with private jets (and private jet trackers) is that often private jets cannot be stored at normal airports. So after delivering the rich people to the airport it needs to take off again, and go to a smaller airport to stay there. This drives up the environmental costs to insane levels (now each trip is 3 takeoffs), but this also causes weirdness with the people tracking the planes of celebs, as they now overinflate the actual flights they are in, which annoys weird pedants (like me). I wonder if the celebs taking these flights are even aware of it. Anyway, remember this if you hear a story of 'celeb X took their private plane to skip traffic' stories, there is a chance they were not actually in this plane. (So put down those surface to air launchers you lunatics).

Not that the usage of private planes isn't insane and should be banned/heavily regulated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tennessee has a new law against making LLM clones of performers without permission. It would be great to see our bullshit strike a blow for the side of righteousness, for once!

Yes, it is called the ELVIS Act. I'm sorry.

https://www.tn.gov/governor/news/2024/3/21/photos--gov--lee-signs-elvis-act-into-law.html

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

SwiftOnSecurity (spoiler: probably not actually Taylor Swift)

it's some US infosec guy working at a corp, identity was figured out a couple years ago

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

no, it's Taylor Swift

this is like claiming dril was identified. no he wasn't. that's not true.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It is still real to me damnit!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah I was being a bit tongue in cheek there. I follow them and a bunch of accounts on ActivityPub because it's the only way to keep the feed from drying up when running my own instance.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

via mastodon

image descriptiona screenshot of a bluesky post from Tim Dawson:

lot of negativity towards Al lately, but consider :

are these tools ethical or environmentally sustainable? No.

but do they enable great things that people want? Also no.

but are they being made by well meaning people for good reasons? Once again, no.

maybe you're not being negative enough

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I told one of my college professors I'd been having issues with some software I had to learn to use for another class, and he said "can I give you a tip? try using chat-gpt to explain how to use it" and without thinking I said "why would I use chat-gpt? It's rubbish" and his face dropped. Sorry, Prof, I know you were trying to help.

This was after he'd said to the class that he knew we would all be using chat-gpt for assignments.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

One to keep an eye on… you might all know this already, but apparently Mozilla has an “add ai chatbot to sidebar” in Firefox labs (https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2024/06/24/experimenting-with-ai-services-in-nightly/ and available in at least v130). You can currently choose from a selection of public llm providers, similar to the search provider choice.

Clearly, Mozilla has its share of AI boosters, given that they forced “ai help” onto MDN against a significant amount of protest (see https://github.com/mdn/yari/issues/9230 from last July for example) so I expect this stuff to proceed apace.

This is fine, because Mozilla clearly has time and money to spare with nothing else useful they could be doing, alternative browsers are readily available and there has never been any anti-ai backlash to adding this sort of stuff to any other project.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Turns out purging your ranks of wokes and furries is more fun than, you know, actually developing a working Linux distro: Nix 2.24+ is vulnerable to (remote) privilege escalation.

(linking to the lobste.rs discussion because I feel it does a decent job curating related links around disclosure timelines etc.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

how's the nix drama going these days? I need more spilled tea to sip, anywhere I can read a recap? did everyone just gave up on not being sponsored by border surveillance drones?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

we have some dedicated Nix threads on FreeAsm, our community for open source stuff that might give you a good recap of the latest stuff. where I’m sitting as a former Nix contributor and advocate is — nothing is fixed, all this obvious fash shit worked so well it’s being tried in other open source communities, and I really would like a nice alternative to NixOS so I can finally release a lot of the Nix stuff I’ve been sitting on (and also because nixpkgs keeps breaking — so many maintainers left that some of the further corners of the package set I use are already showing a lot of rot)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Lix fixed it last month of course

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

new idea: get the morewrongers to work themselves up about "ontologically, is 'superhuman prediction' the same class as superintelligence?"

why? oh, y'know, just things:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

'This tool can do X at a superhuman level' is often quite an embarrassing thing to believe. (in before somebody says computers can do calculations at superhuman levels). Saying your tool can do that is also pretty cringe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've clowned on Dan before for personal reasons, but my god, this is the dumbest post so far. If you had a superhuman forecasting model, you wouldn't just hand it out like a fucking snake oil salesman. You'd prove you had superhuman forecasting by repeatably beating every other hedge fund in the world betting on stock options. The fact that Dan is not a trillionaire is proof in itself that this is hogwash. I'm fucking embarrassed for him and frankly seething at what a shitty, slimily little grifter he is. And he gets to write legislation? You, you have to stop him!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I got mad at this last time I saw Nate Bronze assign percentages to the 2024 US election.

Like, my dude, what the fuck does that mean? Is the election result a random variable? What is its PDF? What maths could you have possibly done to arrive at a crisp [0, 1] probability value?

How did you go from "predict the future", an obviously wildly fuzzy and inaccurate vibes check, to a concrete real number??

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

obvies they're just 30% better at predicting the future than you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll cut you with a Y axis I swear on me mum

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Percentages are cheating, especially percentages below 50.

I'll predict a 49% chance Mont Blanc erupts tomorrow, covering half of Europe in chocolate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As zero cannot exist as a chance, there is a chance this will happen.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

BRB training an LLM to be a super-goalpost-mover

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

You have to let it predict things that will happen before 2019, duh.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

That is just the average The Sims/Rimworld player.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Cohost going readonly at the end of this month, and shutting down at the end of the year: https://cohost.org/staff/post/7611443-cohost-to-shut-down

Their radical idea of building a social network that did not require a either VC funding or large amounts of volunteer labour has come to a disappointing, if not entirely surprising end. Going in without a great idea on how to monetise the thing was probably not the best strategy as it turns out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Their radical idea of building a social network that did not require a either VC funding or large amounts of volunteer labour has come to a disappointing, if not entirely surprising end. Going in without a great idea on how to monetise the thing was probably not the best strategy as it turns out.

I never used Cohost, but I know a couple people who do and fuuuuuuuck this sucks. 'Least Newgrounds is still going, though that's a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

these are the exact finances of a startup that failed to start

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A small Lemmy or Mastodon that's run by some guy and takes donations for hosting has a better grasp of funding than Cohost did

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

(smashes imaginary intercom button) "Who is this 'some guy'? Find him and find out what he knows!!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

i used (and use, until the shutdown) as my primary social media site. i'm not surprised, but i can't say it hasn't been disappointing. for all the issues it has (and it did have a lot) it was pretty much the only site that felt somewhat cozy to use for me. stings quite a bit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be clear: Cohost did take funding from an anonymous angel, and as a result will not be sharing their source code; quoting from your link:

Majority control of the cohost source code will be transferred to the person who funded the majority of our operations, as per the terms of the funding documents we signed with them; Colin and I will retain small stakes so we have some input on what happens to it, at their request.

We are unable to make cohost open source. the source code for cohost was the collateral used for the loan from our funder.

Somebody paid a very small amount of money to get a cleanroom implementation of Tumblr and did not mind that they would have to build a community and then burn it to the ground in the process. It turns out that angels are not better people than VCs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Looking at both cohost and tumblr, I don’t think the funder has an asset that’s worth very much.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah, having the source to a site (even if it includes stuff like day to day ops, backups etc) isn't worth much if you don't have a community. It's a bit like "open source" LLMs, sure you can run a mudball of python on your computer but the real worth is in ingesting and classifying.

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