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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

You know, thinking about it, I doubt this is a coincidence.

The finger-counting is familiar to me as a technique for lucid dreaming. If you look at your hands in a dream, your brain will kinda fuck it up, so if you train yourself to pay attention to that you realize you are dreaming and become lucid.

My guess is that the origin of fae is something like sleep paralysis deamons or hallucinations, and people realized they could detect those from the same flaws of our own imagination.

Now for AI, it isn't really drawing. What we are using in image-AI is still much more like projecting up a mental image, dreaming. We can't get it right all at once either, even our human brain is not good enough at it, it is reasonable image-AI makes the same kind of mistakes.

The next step would logically be to emulate the drawing process. You need to imagine up an image, then observe it at large, check for inconsistencies using reasoning and visual intuition.
Hone in on any problems, stuff that doesn't look right or doesn't make sense. Lines not straight.
Then start reimagining those sections, applying learned techniques and strategies, painter stuff (I am not an artist).
Loosely I imagine the ai operating a digital drawing program with a lot of extra unusual tools like paste imagination or telepathic select, or morph from mind.

The main thing differentiating dreaming from painting is that for painting you can "write stuff down" and don't have to keep it all in your head all the time. This allows you to iterate and focus in without loosing all the detail everywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I had a similar thought about AI; that it's more like imagining something than actually drawing it. When you ask a program like stable diffusion to draw something, you're basically asking it to imagine something and then you reach inside its head to pull the image out. I think that if AI was forced to draw the "ol' fashioned way" then it'd be both better and worse. The results would be more "correct" but the actual quality would probably be worse. It'd also take it longer to get to the same level as a professional artist.

There are a ton of shortcuts you can take in the digital world to save time; you're basically a god limited only by your computer's specs. You can do extremely complex things near-instantly. This saves significantly on training time when it comes to AI. An AI forced to learn how to do art the ol' fashioned way would take significantly longer because it can't take the same shortcuts.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These tricks have never worked for me, I wonder if that has some implication. I can see working clocks in dreams, both the digital and analog kinds. Reflections look normal. Hell, I've looked directly at myself (or a doppelganger?) in dreams before.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. It is not like you can perfectly recreate them, but as long as you don't see a problem with whatever your brain fabricates it's not gonna do anything.

What I used to do was try to breath through my nose. That is a different mechanism, where probably for safety your body doesn't "disconnect" your breathing. If you hold your nose shut, you will still be able to breathe in a dream.
It is something you can easily make a habit, as just quickly pinching your nose doesn't look weird, and then you will naturally do it in your sleep too and become lucid.

All you really need is a moment of doubt, and if you have experienced a few dreams you will always be able to tell if you are dreaming or awake at a thought, at least in my experience.

I have stopped lucid dreaming a while ago, but I think I am still always aware when I sleep based just off of how I sleep. Ever since then it feels more like I am just going along with my dreams most of the time, and occasionally I just decide a nightmare sucks too bad and change it or wake myself up.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The other day I thought I was in a dream because my torso was missing when I saw my reflection in a window. Even when I moved. It legit made me jump. Turns out the middle section of the window was open so it was reflecting light from someplace else.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

This means we're in a timeline loop, just altered

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this:

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Never give them your name.

It all checks out.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

My Grandmother, what big eyes you have.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 4 months ago (16 children)

AIs are wonderful. They provoke wonder.

AIs are marvellous. They cause marvels.

AIs are fantastic. They create fantasies.

AIs are glamorous. They project glamour.

AIs are enchanting. They weave enchantment.

AIs are terrific. They beget terror.

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

No one ever said AIs are nice.

AIs are bad.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Is this from Terry Pratchett?

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago

Yep, from Lords and Ladies

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

AIs are a tool, at least currently, and depend on the way you use them like any other tool. Future AGI would be a whole other dangerous can of paperclips, but we dont have that yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I never said I didn't recognise the quote from Terry Pratchett's Lords and Ladies (which incidentally, shares many interesting parallels between The Witcher - namely, the elves being evil/not good, the elves having space bending powers, the elves being from another world, which the portal to is opened by a young girl, and they are associated with snow/frost. Like, I'm not saying Marcin Sapkowski was definitely inspired, but it's an interesting coincidence at least.)

Edit: I didn't click your link, for your information

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