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[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 months ago

Boo fucking hoo. Everyone else has to make licensing agreements for this kind of shit, pay up.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but because our government views technological dominance as a National Security issue we can be sure that this will come to nothing bc China Bad™.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

LOooOoOL

thats some napster funny shit

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

I don’t mind him using copyrighted materials as long as it leads to OpenAI becoming truly open source. Humans can replicate anything found in the wild with minor variations, so AI should have the same access. This is how human creativity builds upon itself. Why limit AI? We already know all the jobs people have will be replaced anyway eventually.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Humans can replicate anything found in the wild with minor variations, so AI should have the same access

But that's not what OpenAI is asking though. They want free access for the type of content you or I need to pay for. And they want it so they can then sell the resulting "variation" they produce

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s a good point. AIs/LLMs will exist and will necessarily learn from copyrighted materials without traceability back to the copyright owners to compensate them.

Sounds to me like AIs/LLMs can’t and shouldn’t be proprietary systems owned by private entities for profit, then.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nor should what they produce be copyrightable in any form. Even if it's the base upon which an artist builds.

Also, it should all be free.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Suck it, don't care, go back to obscurity

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I can already tell this is going to be a unpopular opinion judging by the comments but this is my ideology on it

it's totally true. I'm indifferent on it, if it was acquired by a public facing source I don't really care, but like im definitly against using data dumps or data that wasn't available to the public in the first place. The whole thing with AI is rediculous, it's the same as someone going to a website and making a mirror, or a reporter making an article that talks about what's in it, last three web search based AI's even gave sources for where it got the info. I don't get the argument.

if it's image based AI, well it's the equivalent to an artist going to an art museum and deciding they want to replicate the art style seen in a painting. Maybe they shouldn't be in a publishing field if they don't want their work seen/used. That's my ideology on it it's not like the AI is taking a one-to-one copy and selling the artwork as , which in my opinion is a much more harmful instance and already happens commonly in today's art world, it's analyzing existing artwork which was available through the same means that everyone else had of going online loading up images and scraping the data. By this logic, artist should not be allowed to enter any art based websites museums or galleries, since by looking at others are they are able to adjust their own art which is stealing the author's work. I'm not for or against it but, the ideology is insane to me.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Agreed. I don't understand how training LLM on publicly available data is an issue. As you says, it doesn't copy the work. Rather the data is used as "inspiration" to stay in the art analogy.

Maybe I'm ignorant. Would love to be proven wrong. Right now it seems to me that failing media publishers are trying to do a money grab and use copyright as an argument, even though their data/material isn't getting illegally reproduced.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (16 children)

@Pika @flop_leash_973 This is largely my thoughts on the whole thing, the process of actually training the AI is no different from a human learning

The thing about that, is that there's likely enough precedent in copyright law to actually handle that, with most copyright law it's all about intent and scale and I think that's likely where this will all go

Here the intent is to replace and the scale is astronomical, whereas an individual's intent is to add and the scale is minimal

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The process of training the model is arguably similar to a human learning, and if the model just sat on a server doing nothing but knowing, there'd be no problem. Taking that knowledge and selling it to the public en mass is the issue.

This is precisely what copyrights and patents are here to safeguard. Is there already a book like A Song of Ice and Fire? Write something else, maybe better! There's already a patent for an idea you have? Change and improve upon it and get your own patent!

You see, copyrights and patents are supposed to spur creativity, not hinder it. OpenAI should improve upon its system so that it actually thinks and is creative itself rather than regurgitating copyrighted materials, themes and ideas. Then they wouldn't have this problem.

OpenAI wants literally all of human knowledge and creativity for free so that they can sell it back to you. And you're okay-ish with it?

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 months ago

I can't make money without using OpenAI's paid products for free.

Checkmate motherfucker

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago

Honestly, that sounds like a You problem, Sam.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago

Then OpenAI shouldn’t exist. That’s capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That’s rich. Does it apply to us common mortals? Or only billionaires?

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

then perish

If I was exempt from copyright, I too could easily make oodles of money

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

oh no! We'll miss you, bye.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

I wish these people would just chill with the hypermonetization of literally goddamn everything

[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 months ago (4 children)

"Limiting training data to public domain books and drawings created more than a century ago might yield an interesting experiment, but would not provide AI systems that meet the needs of today's citizens."

exactly which “needs” are they trying to meet?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

The needs of corpo CEOs trying to cut jobs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Their internal monetary needs ofc!

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

shareholders' needs, like greater valuation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah it’s right up there on the list of what shareholders need to survive:

Water

Food

Solid CAGR of investment portfolio

Shelter

Human contact

Etc

(CAGR being Compound Annual Growth Rate)

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