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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (30 children)

Another dumb take from Yud on twitter (xcancel.com):

@ESYudkowsky: The worst common electoral system after First Past The Post - possibly even a worse one - is the parliamentary republic, with its absurd alliances and frequently falling governments.

A possible amendment is to require 60% approval to replace a Chief Executive; who otherwise serves indefinitely, and appoints their own successor if no 60% majority can be scraped together. The parliament's main job would be legislation, not seizing the spoils of the executive branch of government on a regular basis.

Anything like this ever been tried historically? (ChatGPT was incapable of understanding the question.)

  1. Parliamentary Republic is a government system not a electoral system, many such republics do in fact use FPTP.
  2. Not highlighted in any of the replies in the thread, but "60% approval" is—I suspect deliberately—not "60% votes", it's way more nebulous and way more susceptible to Executive/Special-Interest-power influence, no Yud polls are not a substitute for actual voting, no Yud you can't have a "Reputation" system where polling agencies are retro-actively punished when the predicted results don't align with—what would be rare—voting.
  3. What you are describing is just a monarchy of not wanting to deal with pesky accountability beyond fuzzy exploitable popularity contest (I mean even kings were deposed when they pissed off enough of the population) you fascist little twat.
  4. Why are you asking ChatGPT then twitter instead of spending more than two minutes thinking about this, and doing any kind of real research whatsoever?
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

today in capitalism: landlords are using an AI tool to collude and keep rent artificially high

But according to the U.S. government’s case, YieldStar’s algorithm can drive landlords to collude in setting artificial rates based on competitively-sensitive information, such as signed leases, renewal offers, rental applications, and future occupancy.

One of the main developers of the software used by YieldStar told ProPublica that landlords had “too much empathy” compared to the algorithmic pricing software.

“The beauty of YieldStar is that it pushes you to go places that you wouldn’t have gone if you weren’t using it,” said a director at a U.S. property management company in a testimonial video on RealPage’s website that has since disappeared.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

But they hashtag care!

RealPage, Inc. was honored to partner with Habitat for Humanity Las Vegas to kick off RealWorld 2024! Volunteers came together to assemble 300 home maintenance kits for Habitat for Humanity homeowners, including crucial tools and supplies to ensure longevity and safety in maintaining their homes. This reinforces our commitment to supporting and positively impacting the local communities we serve.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Founder? I never even lost 'er!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it’s still fucking incredible that in order to start reading this for sneers, I had to request the desktop version of the site because paully g still redirects mobile user-agents to the fucking unreadable Shopify storefront(!) version of his blog, then cause that was awful I had to also render it in reader mode, which Shopify blocks. all cause the god of programming Paul fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccccccking (OW woo) Graham couldn’t figure out how to make his site render on mobile worth a damn. how dare I expect fucking Paul fucking Graham to learn flexbox ever, or even lazily ship an open source reader mode rerender library with his shitty fucking site

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Image description: social-media post from "sophie", with text reading,

it's called "founder mode" it's about how to run your company as a founder and how that often goes against traditional management practices. it's basically what i already do but paul graham created a cool name for it in his latest essay, you know who paul graham is? y combinator?

This text is followed by an image of a man and a woman sitting in the audience of some public event. The man is talking at the woman while holding one hand on the back of her neck. The woman is staring past him with eyes that have seen the death of civilizations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

thank you! it completely slipped my mind to add a description (and the linked post doesn’t seem to have one), and the one you’ve written is excellent

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I read the white paper for this data centers in orbit shit https://archive.ph/BS2Xy and the only mentions of maintenance seem to be "we're gonna make 'em more reliable" and "they should be easy to replace because we gonna make 'em modular"

This isn't a white paper, it's scribbles on a napkin

Design principles for orbital data centers. The basic design principles below were adhered to when creating the concept design for GW scale orbital data centers. These are all in service of creating a low-cost, high-value, future-proofed data center. 1. Modularity: Multiple modules should be able to be docked/undocked independently. The requirements for each design element may evolve independently as needed. Containers may have different compute abilities over time. 2. Maintainability: Old parts and containers should be easy to replace without impacting large parts of the data center. The data center should not need retiring for at least 10 years. 3. Minimize moving parts and critical failure points: Reducing as much as reasonably possible connectors, mechanical actuators, latches, and other moving parts. Ideally each container should have one single universal port combining power/network/cooling. 4. Design resiliency: Single points of failure should be minimized, and any failures should result ingraceful degradation of performance. 5. Incremental scalability: Able to scale the number of containers from one to N, maintainingprofitability from the very first container and not requiring large CapEx jumps at any one point. Maintenance Despite advanced shielding designs, ionizing radiation, thermal stress, and other aging factors are likely toshorten the lifespan of certain electronic devices. However, cooler operating temperatures, mechanical andthermal stability, and the absence of a corrosive atmosphere (except for atomic oxygen, which can be readilymitigated with shielding and coatings) may prolong the lifespan of other devices. These positive effects wereobserved during Microsoft’s Project Natick, which operated sealed data center containers under the sea foryears.25 Before scaling up, the balance between these opposing effects must be thoroughly evaluated throughmultiple in-orbit demonstrations. The data center architecture has been designed such that compute containers and other modules can be swapped out in a modular fashion. This allows for the replacement of old or faulty equipment, keeping the datacenter hardware current and fresh. The old containers may be re-entered in the payload bay of the launcher orare designed to be fully demisable (completely burn up) upon re-entry. As with modern hyperscale data centers,redundancy will be designed-in at a system level, such that the overall system performance degrades gracefullyas components fail. This ensures the data center will continue to operate even while waiting for some containersto be replaced. The true end-of-life of the data center is likely to be driven by the underlying cooling infrastructure and the powerdelivery subsystems. These systems on the International Space Station have a design lifetime of 15 years26, andwe expect a similar lifetime for orbital data centers. At end of life, the orbital data center may be salvaged27 torecover significant value of the hardware and raw materials, or all of the modules undocked and demised in theupper atmosphere by design.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (12 children)

there’s so much wrong with this entire concept, but for some reason my brain keeps getting stuck on (and I might be showing my entire physics ass here so correct me if I’m wrong): isn’t it surprisingly hard to sink heat in space because convection doesn’t work like it does in an atmosphere and sometimes half of your orbital object will be exposed to incredibly intense sunlight? the whitepaper keeps acting like cooling all this computing shit will be easier in orbit and I feel like that’s very much not the case

also, returning to a topic I can speak more confidently on: the fuck are they gonna do for a network backbone for these orbital hyperscale data centers? mesh networking with the implicit Kessler syndrome constellation of 1000 starlink-like satellites that’ll come with every deployment? two way laser comms with a ground station? both those things seem way too unreliable, low-bandwidth, and latency-prone to make a network backbone worth a damn. maybe they’ll just run fiber up there? you know, just run some fiber between your satellites in orbit and then drop a run onto the earth.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

everyone who's ever done physical cabling knows aaallll about dropping cables upward

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Who is even asking for this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Design principles for a time machine

Yes, a real, proper time machine like in sci-fi movies. Yea I know how to build it, as this design principles document will demonstrate. Remember to credit me for my pioneering ideas when you build it, ok?

  1. Feasibility: if you want to build a time machine, you will have to build a time machine. Ideally, the design should break as few laws of physics as possible.
  2. Goodness: the machine should be functional, robust, and work correctly as much as necessary. Care should be taken to avoid defects in design and manufacturing. A good time machine is better than a bad time machine in some key aspects.
  3. Minimize downsides: the machine should not cause exessive harm to an unacceptable degree. Mainly, the costs should be kept low.
  4. Cool factor: is the RGB lighting craze still going? I dunno, flame decals or woodgrain finish would be pretty fun in a funny retro way.
  5. Incremental improvement: we might wanna start with a smaller and more limited time machine and then make them gradually bigger and better. I may or may not have gotten a college degree allowing me to make this mindblowing observation, but if I didn't, I'll make sure to spin it as me being just too damn smart and innovative for Harvard Business School.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  1. Safety: we need to make sure a fly isn't inside, or can't enter(!), the time machine while a human is inside during operation
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago
  1. Comfort: regardless of how big it is on the inside, shaping our time machine like a public telephone box introduces risk factors such as: someone will pee in there. according to my research, ideal ergonomics are achieved when the time machine is hot tub shaped.
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Who knew that the VC industry and AI would produce the most boring science fiction worldbuilding we will ever see

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

BasicSteps™ for making cake:

  1. Shape: You should chose one of the shapes that a cake can be, it may not always be the same shape, depending on future taste and ease of eating.
  2. Freshness: You should use fresh ingredients, bar that you should choose ingredients that can keep a long time. You should aim for a cake you can eat in 24h, or a cake that you can keep at least 10 years.
  3. Busyness: Don't add 100 ingredients to your cake that's too complicated, ideally you should have only 1 ingredient providing sweetness/saltyness/moisture.
  4. Mistakes: Don't make mistakes that results in you cake tasting bad, that's a bad idea, if you MUST make mistakes make sure it's the kind where you cake still tastes good.
  5. Scales: Make sure to measure how much ingredients your add to your cake, too much is a waste!

Any further details are self-evident really.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

if you MUST make mistakes make sure it’s the kind where you cake still tastes good

every flat, sad looking chocolate cake I've made

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

James Stephanie Sterling released a video tearing into the Doom generative AI we covered in the last stubsack. there’s nothing too surprising in there for awful.systems regulars, but it’s a very good summary of why the thing is awful that doesn’t get too far into the technical deep end.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

steph also spends 20 minutes calling everyone involved a c*nt, which i mean fair

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I know what I'm listening to this evening. Knowledge Fight Link

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

oh man. I knew the guy was an idiot but hooooo damn he dumb

also the most of his content I've ever taken in, and that was some of the hardest I've laughed in a good while

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I usually can't stand radio-style podcasters but these guys are just too good. The way they play off each other is top notch.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

those guys work fast!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

every popular scam eventually gets its Oprah moment, and now AI’s joining the same prestigious ranks as faith healing and A Million Little Pieces:

Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, who stepped down as Microsoft CEO 24 years ago, will appear on the show to explore the "AI revolution coming in science, health, and education," ABC says, and warn of "the once-in-a-century type of impact AI may have on the job market."

and it’s got everything you love! veiled threats to your job if the AI “revolution” does or doesn’t get its way!

As a guest representing ChatGPT-maker OpenAI, Sam Altman will explain "how AI works in layman's terms" and discuss "the immense personal responsibility that must be borne by the executives of AI companies."

woe is Sam, nobody understands the incredible stress he’s under marketing the scam that’s making him rich as simultaneously incredibly dangerous but also absolutely essential

fuck I cannot wait for my mom to call me and regurgitate Sam’s words on “how AI works” and ask, panicked, if I’m fired or working for OpenAI or a cyborg yet

I’m truly surprised they didn’t cart Yud out for this shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, who stepped down as Microsoft CEO 24 years ago, will appear on the show to explore the “AI revolution coming in science, health, and education,” ABC says, and warn of “the once-in-a-century type of impact AI may have on the job market.”

christ

billy g's been going for years with bad takes on those three things (to the point that the gates foundation have actually been a problem, gatekeeping financing unless recipients acquiesce to using those funds the way the foundation wants it to be used (yeah, aid funds with instructions and limitations..)), but now there can be "AI" to assist with the issue

maybe the "revolution" can help by paying the people that are currently doing dataset curation for them a living wage? I'm sure that's what billy g meant, right? right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Look, where are you going to get your experts if you can't trust Jeffrey Epstein's Rolodex?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

working for OpenAI

You probably are, if not by choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

unironically part of why I am so fucking mad that reCaptcha ever became as big as it did. the various ways entities like cloudflare and google have forcefully inserted themselves into humanity's daily lives, acting as rent-extracting bridgetroll with heavy "Or Else" clubs, incenses me to a degree that can leave me speechless

in this particular case, because reCaptcha is effectively outsourced dataset labelling, with the labeller (you, the end user, having to click through the stupid shit) not being paid. and they'll charge high-count users for the privilege. it is so, so fucking insulting and abusive.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m truly surprised they didn’t cart Yud out for this shit

Self-proclaimed sexual sadist Yud is probably a sex scandal time bomb and really not ready for prime time. Plus it's not like he has anything of substance to add on top of Saltman's alarmist bullshit, so it would just be reminding people how weird in a bad way people in this subculture tend to be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that’s a very good point. now I’m wondering if not inviting Yud was a savvy move on Oprah’s part or if it was something Altman and the other money behind this TV special insisted on. given how crafted the guest list for this thing is, I’m leaning toward the latter

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I think if you want to promote something you don't invite the longwinded nerdy person. Don't think a verbal blog post would do well on tv. I mean, I would also suck horribly if I was on tv, and would prob help make the subject im arguing for less popular.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I didn't think she could top John of God, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yud would jump on a couch.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I have glasses and wear a wristwatch so by the standard definitions I qualify as a cyborg in all aspects but the aesthetic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

No wristwatch, but I have glasses and without electricity I stop breathing. (While asleep.)

So, yeah, cyborg.

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