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Brazilian court orders suspension of Elon Musk’s X after it missed deadline (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Late on Friday afternoon, Justice Alexandre de Moraes – who has been engaged in a dispute with X’s owner, Elon Musk, since April – ordered the “immediate, complete and total suspension of X’s operations” in the country, “until all court orders … are complied with, fines are duly paid, and a new legal representative for the company is appointed in the country”.

He gave Brazil’s National Telecommunications Agency 24 hours to enforce the decision. Once notified, the agency must pass the order on to the more than 20,000 broadband internet providers in the country, each of which must block X.

In an interview with the TV channel Globonews, the agency’s president, Carlos Manuel Baigorri, said the order had already been passed on to internet providers.

“Since we’re talking about more than 20,000 companies, each will have its own implementation time, but … we expect that probably over the weekend all companies will be able to implement the block,” he said.

Justice Moraes also summoned Apple and Google to “implement technological barriers to prevent the use of the X app by users of the iOS and Android systems” and to block the use of virtual private network (VPN) applications.

The decision imposes a daily fine of R$50,000 (£6,800) on individuals and companies that attempt to continue using X via VPN.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Late on Friday afternoon, Justice Alexandre de Moraes – who has been engaged in a dispute with X’s owner, Elon Musk, since April

A Justice isn’t in a dispute with anyone, Guardian. A Justice rules based on law. In the case of Brazil, the Justice system is based on Roman law, as opposed to Common law that is in effect in UK and USA. That means a judge has even less power, as they are tied to existing legislation and can’t rule unless there’s a specific codified law that allows them to rule in that way for that crime or misdemeanor.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

To be fair, X didn't "miss the deadline".

They never gave a shit in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Brazilian sounds like a lot.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's 7 times less than German

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What are you talking about, brasil has 214m inhabitants. Germany 84m

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_v_Germany_(2014_FIFA_World_Cup)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Oh, right, forgot about this for a minute😅

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lets hope the EU will follow soon. Brazil leads the way!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The brazil Judiciary want some profiles blocked. Is that what the EU should demand too?

Blocking profiles seems heavy handed, and best aimed at the individual, not the provider.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, there are quite some profiles doing nothing but spreading hate and misinformation in ways that exceed the limits of free speech, and blocking them would be a good way to stay within the law. Many European countries have quite strong opinions on people spreading Nazi propaganda, for example. Or call for committing crimes or bodily harm. The EU demands removal of such post and even accounts, but X is getting slower and more reluctant in following the laws. I think, banning X in the EU is overdue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

in ways that exceed the limits of free speech

I think this part is key. X is hiding behind US laws which Brazil and the EU have very little say in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

They can't hide if they have presence in or provide for Brasil/EU.

[+] [email protected] -24 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Gotta love the lemmy hive mind being pro censorship just to hate on elon

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

https://www.salon.com/2024/08/29/musks-x-censors-coverage-of-arlington-incident-citing-potential-spam/

Elon, free speech advocate, this you?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Censorship isn't the same as consequences.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

censorship of what? Twitter, now X?

when i was on twitter, before elon took it over, i remember reporting many openly fascist accounts and they used to regularly go down (to reappear under a different name with some new numbers attached). Hate speech, racist slurs, calls to violence… verbal scum. You call taking that shit down "censorship"?

Justice Alexandre de Moraes had issued a court order forcing the site formerly known as Twitter to block several users as part of his investigation into the former president Jair Bolsonaro’s attempts to stay in power after his 2022 election defeat.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/08/elon-musk-brazil-x-jair-bolsonaro

it looks like they're trying to protect their democracy? Shutting down a coup and it's enablers (sounds familiar?) isn't censorship.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

It is when you're on team coup...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

This has less to do with Elon and more to do with twitter itself. Why were other platforms created in the first place like Lemmy? Could it be to decentralize these platforms so that no one entity can control them, including the government? This whole shit show with Brazil shows us exactly why these platforms should exist. The oppression of the people need to stop.

Instead of complaining about others and offering no contributions to this platform, I'd love to hear your take on this and start an open discussion. It seems like you have something on your mind, so why not speak it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

They gotta love my mailing lists. Backups stored on every subscriber hard drive

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

https://joinmastodon.org/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

So if you’re are Brazilian nazi, go get a Windows phone

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Spread it to Everybody from Brazil: Leave Xitter, JOIN MASTODON!

How to join Mastodon:

https://www.followchain.org/join-mastodon/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is Xitter pronounced Shitter? Makes South Park prophetic again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Of course it is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

People seem to be going to bluesky, even the president is there

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago

There is some misleading information in there. Probably better to just get straight to the point with the 'standard' https://joinmastodon.org/ link.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think that site has incorrect information. They wrote "you need to sign up separately on every server on Mastodon to see their community posts" but surely that's the opposite of what the fediverse is about? Mastodon's server page even says that with a single account you can see everything.

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