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In her first interview as the Democratic presidential nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris told CNN it was imperative to reach a ceasefire deal in Gaza, but made it clear that she would not alter President Joe Biden’s policy in the region.

However, when pressed on whether she would stop sending weapons to Israel she told Bash, “No, we have to get a deal done, Dana. We have to get a deal done.”

“Adopting an arms embargo against Israel’s assault on Gaza is not only a moral imperative but also a strategic move to defeat Trump and MAGA extremism. It is difficult for the Democratic candidate to champion democracy while arming Netanyahu’s authoritarian regime” reads a recent letter to Harris from the coalition Not Another Bomb.

Recent polling has repeatedly demonstrated that Democratic voters overwhelmingly support the conditioning of U.S. military aid. A Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) survey from March found that 52% of Americans want the U.S. to halt weapons shipments to Israel in order to force a ceasefire. 62% of Biden voters said “The US should stop weapons shipments to Israel until Israel discontinues its attacks on the people of Gaza,” while only 14% disagreed with the statement.

The numbers from a June CBS News poll were even higher, with more than 60% of all voters and almost 80% of Democrats saying the U.S. shouldn’t send Israel weapons.

“The real question should have been, ‘When are you going to start enforcing U.S. law as it relates to arms shipments’ because what we are doing right now, with this United States policy, is in violation of not just international law, but also of American law, “said the Arab Center’s Yousef Munayyer in an interview with Democracy Now in response to the CNN segment. “Vice-President Harris made it clear in other parts of her interview that she wants to be a prosecutor. She wants to enforce the law, but Israel is clearly getting an exception from the Harris campaign.”

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

And it'll be one of her worst decisions of this campaign

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

unsurprising. good luck in November, I guess 👍

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Harris says she won’t stop arming Israel

If she wants Trump to win, just say that.

Jfc.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I mean, if it was any other ally surrounded by countries that hate them, I'd understand this policy. If Israel wasn't lead by a dickhead and their regime, I'd understand this policy. They literally only exist as a country with our support.

But as is stands now, it's a carrot we should use to leverage peace and, in an ideal world, push for a better coexistence with people they've historically shit on. Giving it away for 'free' makes little sense aside from fear of losing their support and by extension, the election.

If we didn't have foreign money, or PACs in general, would this be different? I would imagine it would be, if we could just fix that shitty system.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

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Why?

Seriously! Why!?

I don't remotely understand this policy, and it seems that pretty much noone would vote for it if they could avoid doing so.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

Israel is the country equivalent of the US sending an aircraft carrier outside a country it has tenuous relations with yet wants favorable trade. It's how they cement the Petro-Dollar as the global currency and dominate financial capital.

Ceasing support for Israel risks hurting US profits, so the US has a monetary interest in propping up the genocidal campaign while pretending to push for a ceasefire to appease domestic tensions, however poorly.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Her husband also made a pledge to, “fight antisemitism” when asked about Israel’s crimes.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Because our government's support of Israel furthers US financial interests in the Middle East.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

The US and the UK.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

We gotta make AIPAC happy or else they might stop paying for Pelosi's yacht.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not enough genocide yet apparently. Fuck this

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Clearly the most efficient way to stop this genocide is to wait until all the Palestinians have been murdered. Then no more can be murdered. Thus no more genocide. Obviously you just don't understand the complexities of the situation. It's the only way to ensure the genocide stops!

I fucking hate myself for knowing that I'll be voting for her. Jesus

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would hate myself voting for or not voting against a candidate who will only increase support for genocide.

I understand your frustration with the Harris option but am glad you are willing to still vote. So many others seem be happy allowing things to become worse just because they can't make it better, which is an even less moral response.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

iT,s ok bEcAUse it’S tHe oNLy sAfE pOrT iN the aReA!!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As much as I hate to admit this, I don't think this will change my opinion on her. Don't get me wrong, I think it's incredibly fucked up that they continue to give them the weapons they use to murder civilians. But I also know that pretty much every president that has been elected since Israel has existed as a country would do exactly the same. The vast majority of politicians are spineless when it comes to Israel and always will be, regardless of party affiliation. No matter who gets elected it will always be the same answer with varying degrees of severity. And even if Harris wanted to do something about it, do you really think she would say anything new until she knew for a fact she was going to win? She'd get ostracized by the majority of her own party and potentially lose a bunch of those fancy endorsements she just received.

I'm not saying it's right. In fact, it's so fucked up it makes my blood boil. I'm just saying that politicians are fucking cowards and always will be.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

But I also know that pretty much every president that has been elected since Israel has existed as a country would do exactly the same.

Your knowledge is incorrect. Please seek out better sources.

Reagan said Israel is carrying out a holocaust, and stopped them with a single phonecall. Bush Sr. stopped them by threatening arms embargo as well. Eisenhower and Ford couldn't stomach their bloodlust either and called them off.

Israel is a client state of the US, it's best to think of it as the 51st state. They do what they're told.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That's what people forget, all it takes is one phone call from a US Pres. Israel is nobody.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being worse than Reagan 💀

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Does it even matter which party is in power when it comes to this? It's in America's geopolitical interest to have a strong Israel to counter the neighboring Arab States, especially Iran. The fate of Palestine is almost a non-issue in that context.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

It's almost like America has two far-right parties pretending to be on opposite sides of a political spectrum

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It matters quite a lot given that Republicans as a party have openly stated that Israel should accelerate all violence against the people of Palestine and expand settlements. The Republican party previously used moabs in the middle east just because Trump wanted go see a big bang and assassinated an Iranian general after inviting him for a peace talk. It matters quite a lot.

Our situation sucks ass but it's either the Democratic party or make things far worse for everyone far faster and completely destroy the possibility of doing anything at all.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Republicans stated Israel should a celebrate all violence

While the Democrats do the implementation

Bombing the middle east is also not exclusive to Republicans. Obama broke a record there.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

but it’s either the Democratic Party or make things far worse

Maybe if we keep on apologizing for the genocide and maybe it will get better? IDK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maybe people will support a third party that is actually interested in governing and not just a spoiler party that conveniently pops up during the presidential election yeah. I'm hopeful people will actually pay attention and build local party power with the way things have been going. But time will tell.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Biden/Harris not changing on Israel is creating a growing spoiler effect to the green party. Changing position on Israel would secure so many votes and stop that spoiler effect

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Voting for change doesn’t work with the ratchet effect. Demand change

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Actually, you just made me realize it's THE issue. Palestine must be destroyed to create buffer zone full of militarized activated and hardened Israeli forces to make the threat even stronger than it already was. It's not enough for Israel to be a nuclear power in the region, it has to be militarized and active for the coming decades.

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