I stopped playing MMORPGs around the Blitzchung incident. FF14 didn't hook me the same way WoW did, and Warframe isn't really an RPG, but it did end up filling the space.
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I still play guild wars 2. It's the only MMO that doesn't piss me off. No subscription fee. Never raised the level cap. Only added a new tier of gear once close to launch and said that's it. Plays like a real video game.
Because the level cap and gear cap doesn't change, you can take a break and come back just fine. My characters I made years ago are just as mechanically viable as anyone else. (Knowing how to play them is a separate question. I'm pretty bad at thief, but some people are little immortal jerks with it)
It also feels more like a real video game than some MMOs. You can dodge attacks. Like there's a dodge button that moves you and gives you iframes. There's a lot less of the old timey "your character moved away on the screen so the monster did its attack animation way over there, but you still get hit".
They also solved a lot of the anti social problems of old MMOs. You don't need to form a formal group for most content. There's no kill stealing. You just go into the world and do stuff.
There's no mandatory quest chains. There's the main story you can follow, but there's very little MMO filler. There are "hearts" you can do that are kind of MMO busywork, but you can also just not do them.
I know the game is old but it's still very good. I haven't been able to get a lot of friends to play it. I think they think it's like a shitty MMO where you just grind for gear to grind for more gear, and level up so you can level up and grind for more gear. It's not.
Many might have also played Guild Wars 1 which had a lot of that content you could only access with a certain minimum party size from what I remember.
I am playing turtle wow—a private server game.
It’s mostly like the vanilla wow, but has some optimized updates.
I played a bit over there a while ago, how is it going now?
I still play Old School RuneScape and Guild Wars 2, and they are both very active.
However, I've not tried a new MMORPG in ages. I don't even really know if any relatively new ones could be interesting to try out.
I just don't have time. RPGs are still my favorite genre, and I used to even work in the MMORPG space. I have a fulltime job, a house I just bought and have to upkeep (I was renting until now), and farming. On top of that, spending time with the wife and all of the regular shopping and chores still exist. Further still, I try to always be learning something for fun, but I haven't even really had time to do that. The most entertainment I have these days is listening to podcasts and youtube vids whilst working outside.
I don't think they're dead. They were wildly popular in the earlier days of the internet when it was still a relatively small place. Now there's more people playing games than ever before. And a much lower proportion playing MMOs
WoW is still massive btw and the latest xpac seems to be a success so far.
Interesting, thanks!
Dead? WoW, FFXIV, RuneScape, ESO, have millions of players. What world do you live in that these games are dead?
Just because people still log in to grind dailies and world quests doesn't mean the game has the same presence in pop culture it used to. I remember seeing commercials with Ozzy for wotlk, people would talk about the game, you'd see references to it, there was a south park episode about it. It's just not that relevant or popular anymore.
You don't see those commercials anymore because television isn't relevant anymore. The internet is full of ads for the new WoW expansion, just like it was full of ads for the new XIV expansion and ESO expansion when those released.
Commercials weren't the only example I listed.
I consume as much media as anyone, a lot of gaming content, and I don't recall seeing a single WoW ad in years, not on websites, youtube, or streaming, Maybe you see those ads because you play WoW or other mmos. I haven't heard any streamers talking about it, no articles or memes outside of dedicated communities.
I'm not saying those things dont exist. I'm just saying, as a general consumer of gaming media, it really doesn't come up nearly as often as it used to. It's more niche now, less mainstream. Which, unfortunately, means the player base is less dynamic.
Look you can go to the WoW, FFXIV, ESO, and OSRS subreddits or search for them on Twitter and see that the communities are still extremely active for these games. WoW has 75k on Twitch right now and MMOs are awful stream games. If you don't use mainstream platforms you're not getting an accurate read on what the mainstream opinions are.
Do you see the latest WoW expansion discussed anywhere on Lemmy?
I only look at [email protected], which has a 3 comments on a 4 days post, maybe I'm missing something?
You don't see anything except Linux discussed on Lemmy because Lemmy has a couple thousand active users. There are Facebook groups bigger than the entire fediverse.
WoW hasn't been synonymous with the MMORPG scene since at least the last 5 years. You didn't hear much from it because it's just another expansion, for one of the many currently running MMOs. When was the last you heard about GW2 expansions? Or Elder Scrolls Online expansions?
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Indeed, so that’s my point.
There were quite active BG3 and Helldivers 2 communities when they released as those are worldwide hits.
If you look at [email protected] vs [email protected], you instantly see which one is a more active game.
But neither BG3 nor Helldivers were MMOs though. Activities in those was a spike when the game released. WoW released 20ish years ago lol
I think you're missing that lemmy is a pretty tiny slice of the internet and niche(ish) communities either don't exist or are mostly inactive. Just because something doesn't seem to be making waves on lemmy, doesn't mean it isn't popular. The community for it just isn't really here (yet).
Indeed, so that's my point.
There were quite active BG3 and Helldivers 2 communities when they released as those are worldwide hits.
If you look at [email protected] vs [email protected], you instantly see which one is a more active game.
https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/39210/charts/
I probably just wouldn't use lemmy as an indicator of popularity/activity levels.
You're right. I guess FFXIV players are too busy playing to be here too ha ha
Star wars the old republic is pretty great, not perfect but super solid story, essentially just Kotor 3. I played it reguarly for last few months and truly enjoyed it like how I used to enjoy WoW back in the day. I know certain fans are going come at me with knives for saying this, but imp, it has much better story content than FF14.
Do you know if people still play galactic starfighter (GSF) in SWTOR? Or if it’s gotten any updates? It became my favorite thing to do in game, but it wasn’t very popular, and last time I tried I sat in queue for a while before giving up. (I liked Squadrons but that also tapered off quickly.)
The rest of the game is great too. I treat it like FFXIV - play every now and then to catch up on the story, though it’s been a while since I’ve played SWTOR. I don’t know if I agree the story content is better than FFXIV (after ARR at least - especially Shadowbringers and Endwalker), but I can see why some people would like it more. It’s consistently good from start to finish. Anyone who likes Star Wars and gaming is missing out on a huge variety of stories and fun if they don’t play it.
Anyway, might need to give it a go again.
So they have a couple servers and I had charcters on all of them. On most, yeah GSF was kinda dead. But omg on Star Forge? You can chain pop matches all day. It's by far the most populated NA server and much more active than the others. Would highly recommend heading there if you wanna scratch that dog fighting itch. 😉
(after ARR at least - especially Shadowbringers and Endwalke)
Oh yeah, those were the best storylines for sure. And I am absolutely not here to say the story in FF14 is bad, I've played most of the FF games and the story is always solid. But the amount of choices, variations and alignment options really seals swtor as my favorite in this regard. Absolutely no shade for anyone that disagrees, just my personal opinion. ♥
By MMO you mean MMORPG specifically? Because MMO in general is the most popular type of games imo... League of Legends, Dota, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch - all are super popular. Regarding MMORPG, I see a lot of youngsters play Genshin. I've personally been playing a classless WoW pserver lately.
MMORPG indeed!
How the hell are League of Legends or Valorant considered MMOs? Are Rocket League or Team Fortress 2 MMOs? Is Battlefield 5 an MMO now?
The expansion of this term to include 5v5 games is never not going to piss me off.
I always considered "MMO" as a synonym for "multiplayer". Anyway, if you take the word "massively" into account, you could also treat is as "massive number of players you could POTENTIALLY reach by joining one of the rooms" (word "potentially" as opposed to "actually reaching at any given moment"). In actual MMORPGs it's not like you can actually interact with all the people online at the same time, you still are limited by geometry and game logic of the world at least, like no one will ever gather in a single town because people are doing other stuff, or are from enemy factions, etc. And in many MMORPGs there is instancing going on, so even players in mob farming locations can be assigned to different instances and not see each other because of reasons.
I don't think most folks have cared about WoW for quite a while now. Those that do are mostly playing on private servers.
FFXIV has picked up all the old wow-heads and is highly active and fun to play.
I haven't seen a lot of chatter around live-service games in Patient Gamers communities in general over the years, but from what I can tell, very little of the Warcraft community made it over to Lemmy. I can think of a couple possible explanations for that.
First, because everyone uses Discord for voice chat over WoW anyway, with the Reddit exodus last year, Discord was always a more natural fit for discussion. Second, /r/wow has increasingly become a place for discussion around the game among former players, especially after Shadowlands. Seeking out a new space on Lemmy and actually participating in the necessary, proactive contributions to grow a community requires more enthusiasm than I think the jaded players have.
It certainly feels like there are fewer MMO players, but I'm not sure. I think we can be certain that younger players are being captured by different forms of live-service games though (shooters, various gacha) rather than traditional MMOs.
I generally just don't play a lot of online games anymore. I have a job where I have to deal with people all day, so the last thing I want to do is go home and deal with angry people while I'm trying to relax!
I do play some Elder Scrolls Online and Star Trek Online, but I primarily do single player content. The normal extent of my interaction with human players is to help them if they need help, or to thank them if they help me.
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