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[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Lol, Lmao even. All regulators have had their teeth pulled.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (5 children)

So the EU grew some balls and then lopped one off, how disappointing...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

iMessage really is just mostly used in the US, like Japan with Line. Most countries around the world don't use any SMS(or adjacent) services for chatting. So its not really a priority when people barely use it. Unlike the AppStore where every Apple user is forced to use it anyway

[–] [email protected] 82 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

To be honest I don't know anyone in Europe using iMessages. We are using Viber, WhatsApp, Messenger, Signal, Telegram, Threema, etc. and none of those options are iOS or Android exclusive.

iMessage is a typical American thing which, we Europeans, have a really hard time comprehending what is the obsession with it.

And we also have a much bigger Android market share, so it would be stupid for iOS users to use some messaging app, that would be iOS exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

The US can’t even stop robocalls

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The US never moved past SMS for instant messaging. iMessage extends SMS seamlessly (to iOS users).

Honestly i tried using different apps with different people groups and ended up dumping all of those apps over time since they 1) sucked battery and 2) weren’t that great and 3) were either ad-supported or were free with questions on what they company was doing to stay afloat.

iMessage solves all of these issues without needing to explain anything. Occasionally i will laugh when i see granny (liked this message) knowing she uses android and had to type that out but whatever.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Occasionally i will laugh when i see granny (liked this message) knowing she uses android and had to type that out but whatever.

Actually, that's just another example of Apple's shittiness. When you see that, that's not someone typing it out, that's when an Android user uses a reaction on our side.

Which should speak volumes to you, iOS was perfectly capable of understanding what an Android phone sent, but instead of simply matching it to an applicable iOS reaction (Or even just defaulting to a thumbs up or whatever), it just...does that.

The funny part is that on the Android side when an iOS/iMessage user a reaction it does exactly what you'd expect, it matches it to the applicable Android reaction lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

here in the US in my situation it boils down to my parents/grandparents not being able to understand the difference between any texting application. I'm fine using SMS/iMessage because I know everyone has it. I'd say the vast majority of non-technologically savvy people I know are incapable or unsure how to use the basic functions of their phone (very few people I know in this category use their phone for anything else but calls, texts, and the web browser; everything else is just unused for either lack of understanding or lack of interest).

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Can't apple do something good for a change and adopt Matrix?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Apple has announced they are adding RCS support.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (15 children)

You joke, but Matrix has been working on protocol design specifically for the Digital Markets Act. If iMessage were to be ruled subject to the DMA, it might mean Apple having to interoperate with (a future version of) Matrix.

https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/event/fosdem-2024-3345-opening-up-communication-silos-with-matrix-2-0-and-the-eu-digital-markets-act/

(The DMA part of that talk starts at 25:00.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

YESSSS! Let's hope apple does have to adopt this, it would be so helpful when communicating with apple users

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Not going to happen. How do you think they became 2.000.000.000.000 + company? D finitely by not letting their customers off the hook.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They might earn some respect from people who use android, and they might buy an iPhone

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

how are they supposed to keep up with microsoft with an open messaging standard? can't miss out on being the most valuable company with a market cap at more than 3 trillion dollars...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The iMessage service did meet the definition of a "core platform," serving at least 45 million EU users monthly and being controlled by a firm with at least 75 billion euros in market capitalization.

But after "a thorough assessment of all arguments" during a five-month investigation, the Commission found that iMessage and Microsoft's Bing search, Edge browser, and ad platform "do not qualify as gatekeeper services."

While Apple has agreed to take up RCS, an upgraded form of carrier messaging with typing indicators and better image and video quality, it will not provide encryption for Android-to-iPhone SMS, nor remove the harsh green coloring that particularly resonates with younger users.

Apple is still obligated to comply with the Digital Markets Act's other implications on its iOS operating system, its App Store, and its Safari browser.

While it's unlikely to result in the same kind of action, Brendan Carr, a commissioner at the Federal Communications Commission, said at a conference yesterday that the FCC "has a role to play" in investigating whether Apple's blocking of the Beeper Mini app violated Part 14 rules regarding accessibility and usability.

The blocking and workarounds continued until Beeper announced that it was shifting its focus away from iMessage and back to being a multi-service chat app, minus one particular service.


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