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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The thing I hate about signal is the UI. Everything looks way too big on my device. WhatsApp, for example, holds 2 more chats, and the messages themselves are tidier.

This may seem like it's not a big deal, but UI is absolutely crucial on order to get people to actually use the app. I moved a few people to signal but they just hated the way it looks. "seems like an app for old people, font too big". I can see that. They moved back to insta/WhatsApp.

I think some small and easy UI changes could make the app much better: just give us a "compact" mode.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Both WhatsApp and Signal show the same amount of chats to me (9 for both). WhatsApp does show a small sliver of a tenth chat, but it's not really properly visible. There is a compact mode for the navigation bar in Signal, which helps a bit here.

From what I can see there's slightly more whitespace between chats, and Signal uses the full height for the chat (eg same size as the picture), whereas WhatsApp uses whitespace above and below, pushing the name and message preview together.

In chats the sizes seem about the same to me, but Signal colouring messages might make it appear a bit more bloated perhaps? Not sure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For me, I can see 7 chats on signal, 9 chats on WhatsApp. There are tons of wasted space on signal for me. It just looks bad to my eyes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Signal is compleletly compromised through spell check on 99% of OEM smart devices. Spell check can see what your typing word by word, and signal uses it. Feds are 100% using spell check to view your private messages. And by feds I mean every government on earth with a computer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

The problem is actually further - it's that they push people to use Signal on mobile.

In the official desktop client, there is no option to register (even though it would likely be not that hard to add a box accepting a verification code), they tell you to use it in the mobile app instead. All while far from all phones can have privacy-respecting OSes installed on them at all.

Yes, there are ways around (Signal-cli or an Android VM - and even then you have to use Molly since the official client requires you to scan a QR rather than following a link). But arbitrarily directing people to a platform that is harder to make private is nonetheless weird.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is this some Network Allowed problem that I'm too Network Not Allowed to understand?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you using a custom rom? I don't have this option on my oneplus 9 pro. but I have something else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

GrapheneOS! I've been using it for a few years. Never going back.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Spell check? If you mean smartphone keyboards, then yes, the non-foss ones are keyloggers. One of my side-projects is a privacy-oriented keyboard, but there are many out there that don't require network calls to google or apple.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Nah dude the red squiggly lines are actually CIA backdoors

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is the same Meredith Whittaker doing interviews with US defense-department aligned sites like LawFare.

Why are all these big tech sites like wired so interested in pushing signal anyway?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Maybe the US government (or even "deep state" or something) has realized that making everyone use insecure devices for easier surveillance is as smart as forbidding fire exits so that people would be easier to arrest.

I haven't heard too many bad things about Signal.

Various dictatorships want to simply read correspondence because the social graphs producing actual value and keeping stability in our world, and also protecting their embezzled value stored abroad, are all abroad too, and they won't hurt these. Some politicians in the west want to invade privacy for the same reason - what they embezzle is stored in ways unaffected by insecure communications in their own countries.

But if you are part of some establishment, even if not well-meaning, you are interested to protect the system from outright erosion, meaning secure communications.

Other than that, WhatsApp and FB Messenger are owned by Zuck and he's become too big to tolerate, Telegram is an African brothel with no protection and plenty of diseases, and in general it's all corporate around.

Let's please also remember that there are people of various views and interests in every organization and force.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I find it intriguing that the people will scrutinize messaging platforms such as Telegram, and explain in detail how one should not entrust their messages' encryption keys to these services. Yet, these same people seem unable to comprehend the concerns regarding Signal server having access to phone numbers of its users. The fact that these people are able to perceive potential vulnerabilities in one platform while remaining oblivious to similar concerns on another highlights that their arguments are more ideological than rational.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For sure. I'm convinced signal is supported mainly for the same reason's apple products are: it's got a shiny user interface and it's simple to use. That let's them overlook all the privacy dangers behind the curtain.

A gigantic US-based service based on phone-number(meaning real identity) identifiers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, it takes a lot of credulity to believe that the US government would just altruistically develop and fund a messaging platform that genuinely respects privacy. I recall somebody was talking about how collecting metadata is basically equivalent to having a private investigator follow you around, and I think that's a great analogy. People tend to fixate on the content of the conversations, but the reality is that knowing who talks to whom is just as valuable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do you think they're lying to authorities when they get a search warrant? https://signal.org/bigbrother/santa-clara-county/ That would be quite a big deal, and someone will be going to jail if you're right.

All they have is your phone number, the date the account was created, and the last time it connected to the service. Yes, that represents a vulnerability, but you;re just casting aspersions that the whole thing is compromised.

Maybe there is some super secret NSA back door that Signal engineers aren't even aware of. But it's at least pretty clear that the local fascist authorities aren't getting that info even with a warrant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I think that the operations of US government are very opaque, and it's perfectly possible that Signal has to work with authorities like the NSA, while they don't have to cooperate with other authorities. However, even in case they currently don't cooperate that can't be used as a guarantee that this will continue to be the case going forward.

The key point here is that if data is leaked it has to be assumed that it is used maliciously, privacy assessments cannot be trust based. And the motivations of the government funding and promoting Signal do matter in the calculus.

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