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I think windows 10 is going to be the last windows I use on my personal computer.
I hope that proton and general native Linux gaming support gets to a fully supported level before they kill off windows 10.
With the popularity of the steam deck for the first time I’m actually somewhat confident it’s going to get there eventually.
Don't worry MS, any PC with those processors in my house are already safely running Linux.
Thanks for your concern.
This is kind of a nothingburger. It requires an instruction that first launched on AMD Phenom and Intel's Nehalem architecture (1st gen i5/i7). I would think the vast majority of people running 11 on unsupported CPUs would be running something newer than that.
Doesn’t stop certain communities raging. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
From what I've read, it only affects AMD processors from 2011 and earlier, and Intel processors from 2008 and earlier.
So... just people who bypassed the earlier TPM requirement and installed Windows 11 on those older CPUs for some reason.
Who would do this, like three people in the world?
Not having a TPM doesn't mean that old
The oldest machines to support windows 11 are about years old at this point. It's OK to call them old.
Old =/= unusable/useless
sure, but not having POPCNT means way older than not having TPM
that's sorta what I meant
Guess I'm one of the three. I did the tpm bypass on an old computer I built way back. Mostly just for fun, I don't actually use it for anything anymore.
That said, looks like the CPU is new enough (i7 950) this change won't affect it.
If the CPU does not support POPCNT, Windows 11 version 24H2 will not boot. The instruction requires a processors that supports SSE4.2 or SSE4a.
[…] Intel launched support for SSE4.2 in Intel Nehalem core processors in late 2008. AMD added support for the instructions in late 2011. Older processors continued to be sold for some time.
The article may be a bit off on the AMD processors, K10 (Phenom etc) supports SSE4a and was released in late 2007.
Even less reasons to move on from Windows 10, nice!
This only affects people running Intel/amd chips pre 2008-2011
The last version of win11 supporting these processors is EOL in 2025. Windows 10 is also EOL in 2025
Switch to Linux
Hahahajahahajha
OK.
Show me tables in any open competitor to excel.
Show me OneNote/Sharepoint
Show me SCOM.
Show me file compatibility that doesn't wack your files, so you can trust you're seeing what the author intended.
Show me Publisher, any kind of CAD.
Which shell are you using?
I can go on for days why the "switch to Linux" mantra is simplistic and naive, at best.
Linux has its place, but I'm not dealing with supporting users with it as a desktop OS. I don't even use it myself (other than to tinker), because I don't have time to play fuck-fuck with borked files from one system to another. My "get work done" machines run Windows, especially because I work with other people, and I need to ensure any documents I send to them appear as intended.
There's a reason Windows is the defacto standard, and it's the standardized UI (and not by accident, if you read the MS research from the 80's). Add to that support for systems management since the early 90's, with SMS, Exchange/DC (a directory service) that all works natively with the OS since Win2k.
Linux as the base for a hypervisor? Fantastic. As a host for docker? Great! As a base OS for lightweight, dedicated-purpose devices (RPi, consumer routers, hell, commercial routers! IoT)? Perfect!
To be fair, your arguments basically boil down to "show me equivalent Linux support for Microsoft products"
You could make all the same arguments and conclude Macs are less suitable for doing work than windows, yet there are tons of professionals using MacBooks who get by just fine. If you don't need to be fully ingrained in the Microsoft ecosystem you don't NEED to be on windows.
Switch to Linux, lol.
This is also going to affect Linux distros, many are moving to x86-64-v2 or even v3. That comes with the same requirements this Win11 build is going to enforce.
There's plenty of life left in some of the later hardware not on the official Win11 support list, but hardware old enough to be excluded by this build is really overdue for retirement and/or being considered retrocomputing.
Considering Debian still ships 32bit, this likely won’t affect my distro of choice.
That makes sense, but remember that security patches are backported to old kernels for quite a long time. Therefore, using an LTS release of Linux should extend a computer's life longer than Windows.
What in the world are yall running machines this old for? Literally a $50 modern computer would be an improvement, and would likely more than quarter the energy requirement.
Just because you can still run 20 year old hardware, doesn’t mean you should.
I’m not running anything old, just kinda trolling a bit and being an annoyance about Linux.
Many distro seem to go with „one package v3/v2, one for earlier pc“ and make package manager install correct one. So no „cant use on old hardware“ impact.
Also linux runs on 30+ year old hardware, not gonna change that now.
