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I watched ABC FAKE NEWS this morning, both lightweight reporter Jonathan Carl’s(K?) ridiculous and biased interview of Tom Cotton (who was fantastic!), and their so-called Panel of Trump Haters, and I ask, why would I do the Debate against Kamala Harris on that network?

Who's surprised he's trying to chicken out?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

"What we really need is an honest debate with principled moderators on a network built on trust and seeking veracity of all claims: Fox News! Only the most Trustworthy™ will do, Sean Hannity and Laura Inbread... wait... Ingrate... No.... Ingram! Right right Ingram."

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago

Trump considers dropping out of having his dumb ass handed to him.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep. Donald is too weak and cowardly.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

What an absolute coward. Isn't it the conservative maga "tough guy" crowd who calls everybody pussies? Is trump not being a total pussy?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Wait, Don Old is dropping out of a debate (again) with Harris? Weird

[–] [email protected] 112 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Great. Give Harris the time slot for a big town hall speech and Q&A. Every 15 minutes, read a reminder to everyone watching that Trump declined to debate.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Keep the two podiums and put a wax figure of Trump in a chicken suit behind the other one. Put the camera on it with dead air for a few seconds every time it's his turn to speak.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The chicken suit is too on the nose. And a cardboard cutout is probably way cheaper than a wax statue.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's no such thing as "too" on the nose when it comes to needling Trump and his gaggle of dipshits.

I agree with the cardboard cutout part, though: half-assed shoddiness represents him more authentically and he deserves no better.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I am betting that she will be there whether he is or not. No reason to miss an opportunity like that.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just do the debate, give his time to a ticker that just says “trump was too scared to be here, I concede the rest of my time.” For every question.

Seems fair.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Christopher Hitchens once debated himself on religion when his debate opponent didn't show up. It was pretty brilliant.

I'm trying to find the YouTube video, but I can't find it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Bok Bok Bok

[–] [email protected] 83 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I didn't expect this meme to come up again so soon. /s

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

lol what a bitch

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Make him afraid some more

St. Alia of the Knife

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

Fear is the mind killer, as they say. And trump doesn't have much mind so it shouldn't take much fear.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

If he does drop out of the debate again, I bet they could get him to recommit by going all Biff Tannen on his ass:

"What's the matter McTrump? Chicken?"

He'll bristle, and say he's no chicken and agree to debate Kamala.

In all seriousness, I was surprised agreed to debate her at all, given that he has nothing to gain. Best cash scenario, he tries the same approach he used with Biden, turning his mouth into a fire hose of lies, and Biden couldn't keep up. With Kamala, she'd just laugh at his lies, and actually refute him with facts, he'd look just awful in comparison.

At this point I doubt he'll actually show up to the debate.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

"I heard McDonalds has a new menu item now, they're calling them Chicken McTrumplets... Bawk... bawk... bawk... bawk"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

I never thought he'd go through with it.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

One of the issues he has is that ABC and the Dems want real time fact checking.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

How would real-time fact checking even work? Would the moderators actually do their job for once and call it out, or would they just do little VH1/"Pop Up Video"-style graphics where they would highlight whether they would try to correct the record on certain things being said?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Here's my proposal.

During each candidate's first turn to speak, no fact checks are shown, but the fact checkers will use the other candidate's turn to come up with corrections. Then when it's the first candidate's turn again, the start of that their speaking time is used to read the corrections from their previous statement. If the corrections take the whole speaking slot, too bad so sad.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

If corrections also rollover into the next speaking window, Donald could just do his first slot and then go golfing.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hopefully both, and there's a Lie-O-Meter that determines how truthful a statement is as its being read, and then a counter of provably false statements made

Not like a here is a one in a billion outlier so the truth is a lie. If crime is down, but up in a small, specific area, the statement "crime is down" would be true.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It'd be nice if there was some sort of objective, quantitative "score" that could be attached to each candidate's performance (or as objective as it can be). Something at the end of the night you could point to and be like, "Yeah, they're a goddamn liar-mouth." Something either candidate could point to as a "win" without resorting to just soundbites that get blasted the whole week after and people are like, "Oh snap, they said that!" Like, an actual way to tell how honest either candidate seemed during their "performance". I'm sure Trump would lie his ass off and his base would be like, "Well of course ABC is going to say Trump lied, they're owned by woke Disney!", but at the very least we'd have some sort of tracking of how much they lied during a debate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

There is no objective measurement Repubs won't ignore if it becomes an obstacle to white supremacist fascism and shoveling money into the yachts of the wealthy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Would the moderators actually do their job for once and call it out

That's actually not the job of moderators. This idea that moderators should do fact-checking only came about in 2016 because of Trump.

The network probably should have a team of fact-checkers. But fact checking in real time isn't easy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I would like to have the moderators do anything at all, though, that would be nice. Like cut off a candidate who goes over time. Maybe force candidates to answer the question asked or forfeit their time.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Either would be better than what's happening now.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 weeks ago

The nerve! Not allowing him to just stand there and lie without being challenged!

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