this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2024

171 points (95.2% liked)

News

23259 readers

3229 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.

7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

171

How China Miscalculated Its Way to a Baby Bust: A missile scientist used mathematical models to push the nation’s one-child policy. Its legacy is proving hard to shake. (www.wsj.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

51 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Non-paywall link

China’s baby bust is happening faster than many expected, raising fears of a demographic collapse. And coping with the fallout may now be complicated by miscalculations made more than 40 years ago.

The rapid shift under way today wasn’t projected by the architects of China’s one-child policy—one of the biggest social experiments in history, instituted in 1980. At the time, governments around the world feared overpopulation would hold back economic growth. A Moscow-trained missile scientist led the push for China’s policy, based on tables of calculations that applied mathematical models used to calculate rocket trajectories to population growth.

Four decades later, China is aging much earlier in its development than other major economies did. The shift to fewer births and more elderly citizens threatens to hold back economic growth. In a generation that grew up without siblings, young women are increasingly reluctant to have children—and there are fewer of them every year. Beijing is at a loss to change the mindset brought about by the policy.

Births in China fell by more than 500,000 last year, according to recent government data, accelerating a population drop that started in 2022. Officials cited a quickly shrinking number of women of childbearing age—more than three million fewer than a year earlier—and acknowledged “changes in people’s thinking about births, postponement of marriage and childbirth.”

Some researchers argue the government underestimates the problem, and the population began to shrink even earlier.

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I genuinely wonder how differently this would have played out if China had managed to keep an equal m/f ratio.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Huh. I didn't have soylent green on my 2024 bingo card.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

China has a surplus of men. Russia has surplus of women. Seems like there's an easy solution there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

This but unironically. The entire east end of Russia is a steamy mix of Slavic and Han Chinese ethnicity.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure they're both too racist for that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You underestimate puberty

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not a matter of puberty; it's a matter of immigration. Which of those countries is going to be willing to accept a mass influx of minorities from the other?

[+] [email protected] -11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I thought you said it was racism

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What, you doubt Russian or Chinese immigration policy could be racist? You think Russia would have absolutely no problem with the idea accepting a whole bunch of Han Chinese men, or that China would have absolutely no problem with the idea of accepting a whole bunch of white Russian women?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago

Russia is literally offering citizenship in exchange for military service.

China is just beginning to ramp up policy to attempt to address their own population issues.

I absolutely think that all countries are racist. I think it always informs immigration policy.

SPECIFICALLY w/ Russia and China, I think that the mutually beneficial agreement regarding the sustainability of their economies supercedes issues with racism. At least w/ Russia, this is literally evidenced by their immigration policies. I actually don't know what China's immigration policies are w.r.t Russians, but I expect they're roughly aligned with other nations, and they're not singled out unfavourably.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Let them fight!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

based on tables of calculations that applied mathematical models used to calculate rocket trajectories to population growth.

TO THE MOOOOOON!!! 🚀🌝💎✊💎✊

load more comments