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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I too want to open a business where both customers and suppliers pay me. Do you know any more gullible sectors? Academics are pretty extorted already it seems.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Okay, but what are the profits? That's what actually matters here.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I've only ever published in open access journals (partially because I've only got 3 papers out, but also out of preference) is it just prestige that makes people go with pay-to-view journals? or are there other factors?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

In part it's prestige, which for some might matter for promotion purposes, and at least personally I'm more like to cite journals for which I know I trust their judgement in peer review and submission acceptance. There are predatory publishers which abuse the open access concept to make money, and if I'm reviewing literature I don't want to have to also research if a journal can be trusted (unless of course the publication I want to include is novel or especially worthwhile).

Also, in many contexts open access requires payment by the authors; this may be fine if an author is in a large grant-funded lab or at an institution willing to fund the open access fee but for many of us non-research-track folks it's kind of a deal breaker.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I did get paid for reviewing for a Springer journal though. Next to nothing, but it's not zero.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 4 months ago (4 children)

and don't use Sci-hub people. I am warning ⚠️ you so you can avoid it 🫡

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Thank you for the warning. I almost received free and convenient access to a large catalog of academic articles, and no one wants that.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

I, too have seen the ability of Sci-Hub to give me free access to research papers.

It's terrifying how easy it is to get access to scientific literature for free! Wouldn't recommend to anyone.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Before Roblox there was this...

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago

Just here to say fuck Elsevier.

[–] [email protected] 154 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Academic Authors: $0

FAKE NEWS

This should be in the negatives. We have to pay to get papers published in these traditional journals.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And sometimes open access costs money for the author too.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (2 children)

New textbooks have disappearing ink that only lasts, about one semester, until a month before finals, and then in that month they trigger dynamic pricing increases due to a stronger than typical demand...

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago

Don't give them ideas.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Don't give them ideas for free.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I heard that, you are legally allowed to Email the Academic Authors, and request said articles, which they are allowed to provide for free.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Absolutely. Plus scientists love when people want to actually read their work so you make their day too!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

NGL if I was a college professor in this situation I'd be pirating my own work fuck these guys

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

I do it all the time. Something something sci-hub. If you ask, the authors will almost always share a preprint.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Very frequently you can email the author of the paper and they will be super happy to send you a copy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

That seems like a very lucrative market to interrupt

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Reviewers and writers actually do get a stipend, but it's a token amount like 200 bucks a year. This industry is the most ass backward incentive structure we could possibly create, the only reason writers would provide articles to a journal is literally for the clout.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've never gotten a stipend or heard of someone getting a stipend for publishing or reviewing manuscripts. The only thing I've been offered is access to the journal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Depends on the journal I guess, my wife worked at multiple publishers and there's normally an insultingly small stipend for the editorial board members and writers

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Clout and also many academic focused universities expect some set minimum of publications from their staff

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They all got bought up by venture capitalists like a decade or more more ago, and this is the result.

They were already backward, but now they are backward, ruthless about cost cutting, and care about nothing but profits.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Really? I’ve reviewed and published a good chunk of papers and never received any financial compensation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Well, you received a token amount of 0 bucks an eternity.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

That's not an incentive, they're mocking you with money

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember folks, if you pirate scientific papers you're stealing from the hard working......wait a minute....

[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You wouldn't download a car

[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Why stop at one?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago

I'd 3D print that shit so hard on my shitty little Ender.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

TIL: In the PotC universe, The legs of the pier are noclip underwater.

[–] [email protected] 204 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This isn't a meme, it's a crime

[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

There are literally tens of thousands of people in academia who could build a transparent, open-source, non-profit publishing system of their own.

Why don't they?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

The big issue is that the individuals who lead these institutions are those who are successful with the status quo; perhaps some recognize the importance of changing it but I perceive that most would be unwilling to dismantle a system that worked well for them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I don't know about other fields, but we did do this for AI. It's all community-run, papers are freely available for everyone to read, and the cost of submission in a peer-reviewed venue is to review other papers. The publishers don't actually provide anything of value except name recognition and being "reputable", which they maintain through momentum.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There is a transitioning happening but progress churns slowly. I like to compare it to getting out of an abusive relationship.

https://sparcopen.org/our-work/big-deal-knowledge-base/unbundling-profiles/mit-libraries/

https://tagteam.harvard.edu/hubs/oatp/items

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Corruption - at the highest level.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Well I don't know about "highest" level.

It's in some ways worse than that. it's institutional corruption and collusion across all levels of power within institutions. Not having access to pear review, journals, the gravitas, the funding sources:it creates a monopoly of power for all players in the system where they aren't benefited by opening up access

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (3 children)

but wait...

where meme part ?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago

Internet memes come from the original concept of memes as an element of culture passed on from person to person.

From Wikipedia's "internet meme" article.

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