dem. socialism is centre-left at best... stop looking at everything through the Trump-esque """Radical left""". I know you're a conservative, but people all around the political spectrum want to spend more on better public healthcare, slam down on gun violence, improve democracy.
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Curious why you came to a three month old post just to leave a comment that's entirely irrelevant
It may just be that there are a lot more "leftist people" than you think there are. The world is not the U.S., and what is "left" in the U.S. is centre or even rightwing in a lot of other countries. To me, a complaint like this sounds more like "I want a far-right forum online", in which case 4chan is probably your best bet.
Lemmy is definitely left leaning like most other “communities” on the internet but its nowhere near as bad as reddit and hopefully will not turn into that. You would probably enjoy gab if you are looking for somewhere that is friendly to conservatives, religion and free speech.
The reason I raised the concern is because even though we aren't there yet, a significant portion of the user base seems to be trying to bring the platform in the same exact direction as reddit. Personally, I want it to become a platform where everyone can, and most importantly, does, participate. If I was just looking for the right wing equivalent of what people do here I wouldn't be posting here at all.
Is lemmy just going to become reddit 2.0?
No. Lemmy is federated so it's not going to run into the same problem of unabashed capitalists trying to eke out every of cent of profit they can from the platform. It has built in protections against all the things that ruined reddit.
Oh, you were talking about all the good points of reddit? Lol.
Lmao at least you're honest enough to admit that reddit had a massive bias issue, even if you consider it a good thing
I'm not sure what you're expecting. You joined a platform that is left leaning and expect what, everyone to self censor for your benefit? If you're looking for a conservative safe space, you might want to try exploding-heads.
I wish I could expect the inverse of people like you - dishonest trolls who contribute nothing except brazen misrepresentations
Lmao at least you're honest enough to
people like you - dishonest trolls
I'm getting whiplash here.
Edit: I was sent scat porn after this exchange. Nice company you keep, there.
Lol not my fault the instance has a spam problem. Everyone here gets sent those scat messages. But how expected of you to just try and dishonestly pin everything you don't like on me.
Yeah, that happens when you immediately pivot to being a dishonest sack of shit
My opinion is that there are a lot of far left people here, that part is true. I consider myself a socialist, but not so far left that I can't criticize Russia, China or North Korea that some here seem to be.
The only right-wing instance that has been defederated was exploding-heads.com. I was part of that discussion, I voted to defederate and I would do it again. It was nothing to do with their politics for me, it was all about the hate speech. The posts there specifically calling for the death of trans people, holocaust denial and other big red lines for me was why I wanted the defederation to happen.
A conservative who acknowledges that minorities have human rights and that historical events really happened is absolutely A-ok in my book. We might not agree on our politics, but it's still a conversation worth having.
The only right-wing instance that has been defederated was exploding-heads.com. I was part of that discussion, I voted to defederate and I would do it again
True. This instance is one of the better ones in terms of defederation, but unfortunately we don't seem to be very popular in that stance. And given the nature of social media where ability to access content is a major factor, the more large instances that defederate, the worse the system as a whole gets in terms of ability to access that content.
Personally, I support a zero defederation policy, and also have accounts on those types of instances, but they're heavily blocked by major instances, hence why I'm still here as well. I'm excited for when better apps come out for managing multiple accounts. It's pretty annoying to have a bunch of web apps to use each different login whenever I end up going somewhere that doesn't have federation.
A conservative who acknowledges that minorities have human rights and that historical events really happened is absolutely A-ok in my book. We might not agree on our politics, but it’s still a conversation worth having
I find that vanishingly few actual people (major media agitators aren't in my books) actually hold the genuine belief that minorities don't have rights, or aren't deserving of them. It's just that a lot of what progressives call rights isn't a perspective shared by much of the conservative side of things, where you'll generally find a more limited "life, liberty, property" set of beliefs, or at least derivative thereof.
Personally, I support a zero defederation policy
That is an untenable position imho. I hate to use the tired old trope of the nazi bar, but a true free speech approach has been tried over and over again, and each and every time has resulted in the worst drek imaginable, and everybody who wasn't ok with that sort of drek leaving. Having a community worth having a discussion in requires moderation, and that extends to federated platforms too.
I find that vanishingly few actual people (major media agitators aren’t in my books) actually hold the genuine belief that minorities don’t have rights, or aren’t deserving of them
That isn't true from my own very subjective experiences. Quite a few don't even consider select minorities (different ones depending on region) are even fully human.
Of course that is not universal. My own father is a conservative, and we have many a long and interesting discussion. Those people do exist, but so do those who think of minorities as sub-human.
Forgive the double commenting, lemmy doesn't save drafts, and I don't like losing partial comments while I close tabs.
That isn’t true from my own very subjective experiences. Quite a few don’t even consider select minorities (different ones depending on region) are even fully human
Could you give more concrete examples? I'm not particularly interested in defending (or not) the hypothetical someone, somewhere who holds some belief.
Sure! I'm Romanian, and Roma are very much discriminated against here. I have had a religious, conservative acquaintance tell me, completely straight-faced and honestly, that the targeting of Jews in the Romanian holocaust was terrible, we should have just stuck to killing as many Roma as possible. They are, according to him, completely impossible to "civilize".
This is not an uncommon belief here.
EDIT: Let me be completely clear: I'm not saying you hold beliefs like that. I'm just saying "conservative" is a broad brush that includes both the reasonable and the terrible.
Eastern European politics be wildin' lol. I'm American and was approaching it from a more American perspective, where such talk is uncommonly found, despite being commonly accused.
EDIT: Let me be completely clear: I’m not saying you hold beliefs like that. I’m just saying “conservative” is a broad brush that includes both the reasonable and the terrible
Agreed. In general, I'm not a fan of the relative style of political labeling because it varies so broadly over time and place since the ideas of "conservative" and "progressive" are highly dependent on the existing culture and systems of a place.
I'm perfectly fine with individual communities enforcing their own moderation policies, and individual users taking advantage of the plenty strong blocking tools at their disposal. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if people are already working on the equivalent of chain block from Twitter for lemmy already.
But at the level of federation, it represents basic fucking functionality of the site, and it should only be leveraged as a tool against things lot bot farms or the like. Why should the users who cry for moderation the moment a single thing they don't like shows up need to run the ship? We should go back to the days of just telling them to not browse content they don't want to browse, and to grow the fuck up.
Considering your failed attempts at debate I've seen the problem is you don't actually have any defenses of your positions and when that fails you fall back on projection. If you don't want to feel isolated then you need to actually learn and understand how to have real debates and discussions and learn how to argue in good faith. Majority of people on fediverse expect arguments to have evidence and proof and not just anecdotal emotional response statements.
Lol nice lies pal. Maybe go pester all the leftist spammers in my responses that don't even come close to any of the standards you're laying out. If you're only interested in jerking yourself off, there's dozens of other communities where all your pinko pals are already started. I have no issues with debating in good faith, I just see no reason to give any benefit of the doubt to obvious bad actors who refuse to extend good faith themselves, such as yourself.
And this is why you are downvoted and ridiculed. You have zero self awareness or critical understanding. Your insults or attempts to ridicule mean literally nothing because people need to believe you have something worthwhile to say. And so far, all you are doing is projecting and spewing made up talking points. Make no mistake, I couldn't give two shits what you end up doing or if you stay on the fediverse at all. I would love conservatives that actually had self awareness and could debate real conservative talking points, not trumpican vitriol. So far you are just another angry trumpican spewing out unverified talking points. And at no point does that kind of hate deserve a safe space, ever. Later
I wonder what this person thinks a "leftist" is?
I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt as much as possible. But I dont believe they really think all that much on their own based on their responses.
I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt as much as possible
In what fucking universe pal. Because most people don't consider brazenly dishonest character attacks to fall under "benefit of the doubt"
Lol keep up the bullshit pal, maybe you'll earn yourself some fake internet points with it.
I just pity you. You would have better luck on Twitter or reddit with other trumpicans. No one with intelligence gives a shit about internet points, so im giving you an upvote to maybe make you feel better.
Lol keep up the bullshit pal, maybe you’ll earn yourself some fake internet points with it.
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