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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

A programming language is a set of instructions written by a programmer to deliver instructions to the computer to perform and accomplish a task.

By that definition, HTML is a programming language.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

HTML is an initialism for HyperText Markup Language. It's purpose is to provide structure to data and cannot perform logic, the defining feature of programming languages.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I guarantee you that the people writing that HTML isn’t a language are the junior devs that use DIVs for everything in their structure, especially actionable elements like buttons or anchors. Let’s ignore that the “DIV is the element of last resort”, as per the html spec. Also, I doubt that anyone suggesting CSS isn’t a language hasn’t picked up a OReilley’s manual on it recently - 1100+ pages, before you get to the glossary. HTML & CSS are quite a powerful combination.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

i have been enlightened about semantics of elements, take a look at my webpage, and i do not think html is a programming language

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

would you also argue that markdown is a programming language?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mozilla argues otherwise: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/HTML/Introduction_to_HTML

Most people define HTML based on the original acronym, but the current HTML5 iteration is much more than many devs realize.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

gonna state this: html is a language, but not a PROGRAMMING language. each individual regex is also a language. assumed that you thought "language" and "programming language" were equivalent
sidenote: "gonna state this:" could be prefixed to any comment without changing the meaning, but it sure does change the vibe

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I’m the lead UI developer for one of Europe’s biggest fintech firms, and we’re up from #4 back before I got there (many factors in that, so okay, but the UI update added to our success). I’m reviewing quite a few CVs lately looking for Angular FE devs and honestly, an attitude like that won’t even get you in the first round.

This discussion started because I said many FE devs don’t develop with HTML in mind - it’s all divs and js. Or they rely heavily upon a framework to do that for them. I just passed on someone in the third round because I asked for a lightweight modal with esc exit, background and focus, and they wheeled out this whole system using prime ng and p-modals, where just using the element would have worked.

To be fair, they also argued that using their method would have been faster and more consistent. That’s a person who relies on toolkits instead of understanding their existing tools has depth.

May I suggest, don’t be that guy. But in 3 years I retire to an island to never have these arguments again, so what do I care? Don’t listen to anyone else - be my guest.

Just to change the vibe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Is it Turing complete though? That's normally the real test

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Magic the Gathering is Turing complete but nobody's calling it a programming language. Expressiveness and purpose are probably more important for calling something a programming language.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

CSS+HTML is Turing complete but not html alone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

that assumes an infinite document (i think)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

HTML is not trying to accomplish a task but specifically displaying stuff on the screen. Like a word document, or a jpeg.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

HTML is not trying to accomplish a task but specifically displaying stuff on the screen.

But what if my task is to display stuff on the screen?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Then you would be a rendering engine, built from a language that isn't HTML.