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Binge alcohol use in the past month among persons aged 18-25 years in the U.S. from 2002 to 2022, by gender (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Crazy how well this correlates with the rise in depression, anxiety, and social media use in young people.

Binge drinking is obviously not the answer, but getting out and being uninhibited with other young people in the real world seems like a pretty important element of being young as well as being happy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Now add other drugs to the chart

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Average of $105/month, that's much.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Alcohol was good enough for my viking ancestors so it's good enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Incredible amount of alcoholics in these comments.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kinda sad. No fun you can have like being shitfaced. When I look back on those times those are definitely the highlights. Feel sorry for the youth, they just aren't as fun.

Kind wish I grew up at an earlier date. The 90's and 00's looked so much fun and when I talk to older people I'm always jealous of their cool stories. Younger people don't see to have as much good stories, even accounting for time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The sad one is the one thinking alcoholism is fun and that "cool stories" are a measurement of the enjoyment of life.

When you love your life so much that you need to destroy your brain until you start having "fun" and that your stories are all based on the stupid behaviours it induced, what you need is not alcohol but psychiatric help.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Haha I always find it hilarious how defensive and high and mighty people get about not drinking.

Fun comes with risk. But where older people went out and socialised with people are now just doom scrolling social media. There is a brain health cost to most things. Humans are built for socialising and most cultures are built with alcohol being a big part of that.

your stories are all based on the stupid behaviours it induced

Haha yea. Good times.

what you need is not alcohol but psychiatric help.

How does that create fun stories?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Love how you're downvoted so much for this. The internet is so funny sometimes. You need psychiatric help because you like getting drunk. Could you imagine the response if you said that to somebody in the real world?

I've had countless great times and made some great friends getting shitfaced. According to Lemmy I'd be much healthier sitting in my bedroom reading stories about Donald Trump and getting angry about car based infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fun does not come with risk, where did you get that from?

This "oversocialization" of fun is really a sad thing in our current society where people feel like fun is getting drunk and going to the club and nothing else. Fun can be a good book, a puzzle, painting, going on a walk, watching a movie. The reason people love alcohol that much is not for fun but because it destroys their brain and prevents them from thinking, especially about risks. That's how the stupid "fun stories" come from, from people doing stupid things but being too drunk to understand it. Creepy dude giving you a drink with powder at the bottom? Eh, too drunk to see a problem. Halfway into a drunken coma and wanting to drive? No problem.

Also, doom scrolling social media is a thing that people do to try to continue "socializing" because they are unable to do anything else.

And also, I would add that comparing with "old times" is absurd considering how times change. I do hope that we can have higher standards than the previous generations.

So the psychiatric help is not here to create fun stories but to allow you to learn how to have healthy ones. Not everything needs to be immediately "fun".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

While reading or a puzzle, painting, watching a movie can be fun. The fact thats your idea if fun seems a little sad. Going for a walk comes with risk.

You're just completely on about things that aren't about having fun while drinking so thats a completely worthless comment.

And also, I would add that comparing with "old times" is absurd considering how times change. I do hope that we can have higher standards than the previous generations.

Haha again what another worthless comment. "Comparing things is absurd." Jesus. I don't see how you think that is a smart thing to say.

Times change yes. They can change for the better or for the worse. Comparing things is a good thing. The future is not fixed it can change in many many different ways.

I feel like you are just making different arguments. Other things other than drinking can be fun. But losing a good thing is bad. Gaining a bad thing is bad.

People read books in the past they still do now, provably less actually. But that's irrelevant to drinking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It seems sad to you because you are unable to find fun without alcohol, that seems sad to me.

Comparing things isn't absurd, comparing things with the old times, using them as the absolute reference of what is good, is absurd.

Losing a good thing is bad. Alcohol is not one. Main cause of car deaths, one of the biggest avoidable sources of cancer, famously linked with rape and violent behaviour, and one of the only drugs that I know of that can physically cause death from deprivation of it. This is in no way worth whatever "fun" is supposedly linked with it. And my point was that there are many things that are actually fun (as in, without having to kill your brain to find them fun) that don't involve so many horrible consequences. And without people thinking of the "good old times" constantly, alcohol would have long be recognised as what it is: a dangerous drug with no real benefit. And scientifically it is recognised as such.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It seems sad to you because you are unable to find fun without alcohol, that seems sad to me.

Well I didn't say that. I even did some of the things you used as examples while we have been talking.

using them as the absolute reference of what is good, is absurd.

Didn't do that either.

Losing a good thing is bad. Alcohol is not one. Main cause of car deaths, one of the biggest avoidable sources of cancer, famously linked with rape and violent behaviour,

Look your not cool enough to enjoy alcohol I get it. But I never said any of those things are good. Driving is driving, rape is rape.

And without people thinking of the "good old times" constantly, alcohol would have long be recognised as what it is: a dangerous drug with no real benefit. And scientifically it is recognised as such.

There are current good times with alcohol. Just a the culture from the good old times has gone. But it was good then and what's good now is still too.

I would love to see some some scientific proof there is "no real benefit" to alcohol because I bet my life a lot of people found great friends and partners though alcohol, never mind the fun and culture previously mentioned aspects.

Look no one is forcing you to drink. Chill out man. You can go be boring somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

"Driving is driving, rape is rape" is as stupid to say as "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

And you want to see what science is saying, just go take a glance at the wikipedia page since you obviously never did. Probably the biggest list of negative effects I've seen on wikipedia, and I can't find anything really positive. And making friends through alcohol just means that you find friends that share your alcoholism, but people also make a lot of friends without the need for alcohol.

No one is forcing me to drink, sure (assuming that it is true and that refusing a drink is not something that could cost you a job for example), but they do force me to be in danger because of the dangerous behaviours caused by alcohol. Once again, it's a bit like saying "don't complain about guns, no one is forcing you to have one". The difference being that guns are probably much less popular and dangerous than alcohol in most countries.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I enjoy being intoxicated all day and not having a raging headache the day(s) after. Weed 4 Life!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

You may also get a hangover from weed, but it isn't as bad as the one from alcohol.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not sayig drinking is fine, but you sound like you're dehydrated. If you can stomach water whilr drinking it reduces the negative effects

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The post was about binge drinking, which is a specific kind of "drinking"? I was comparing the differences between "binging" both drugs and the effects they cause after the fact.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I gotta disagree here. What qualifies as a "binge" to a scientist and, say, a university student (or even an adult that occasionally drinks) are quite different things. You can science "binge" with like 3 or 5 drinks in a night with no ill effect at all by being sure to drink water or mixing with water, you just can't do it in 20 mins before bed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is that vos everyones too busy trying to feed themselves they can't afford to get drunk.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

No, economic declines, including all the way into famine tend to increase rates of alcoholism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I'm shocked there's no bump in 2020-2021. Many people I know, myself included, started drinking so much more during the pandemic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

In the 18-25 age bracket though?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Also how are we defining "binge" drinking

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I found people went one of two ways. I know plenty of people who drank more, but also plenty of people (myself included) who basically went cold turkey for two years. I don't enjoy drinking by myself so I didn't

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

These are also self reported numbers.

I know I wasn’t telling people how much I was drinking during the pandemic

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I wonder if that could be the entire cause od the drop, the stigma became greater so men just lie about it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Same

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