Not sure the gluttony thing is right. Has God ever been described eating literally anything?
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He didn't create Eden for his future humans
DemiURGE to kill.. rising...
Note that the seven deadly sin isn't present in the bible, and is a later addition.
Yep. The whole idea of seven deadly vices and seven heavenly virtues is a Christianization of the Ancient Greek ideas of virtues and vices. There really isn’t a direct connection to the Bible.
Don't forget... Gamboling is a deadly Sin.... Proceeds to fuck with Lot to win a bet
I think you meant gambling, but gamboling is probably disallowed by these nitwits too.
"Yaehab, such demonstrations of joy allow Satan into your heart!" *Backhands child*
Envy is an interesting one, I think this is usually based primarily on the 'Golden Calf' story.
There's a bit of context that makes that story much more interesting. The stories that eventually led to what we think of as the christian god depict god as a bull. It brings up the possibility that the story wasn't calling out against worshipping other gods but instead a warning against reverting back to old ways, changes how you approach the story.
Historical evidence there is really all over the place though, there's a LOT of other interpretations and possibilities.
the one unique thing about the religion that became the abrahamic religions was that its followers went around the fertile crescent destroying other peoples temples and attempting to convert everyone to their religion and saying that their god was the only real one, and they never stopped doing that. Regardless of the interpretation of that one particular fantasy i think this particular god has the whole envy thing pretty well locked down.
Funny thing - no god(s) have ever punished a single person for any of those transgressions - only people do.
I know Anon is, uh, joking and we shouldn't use a 4chan greentext for real discussion, but the wrath and envy points are why I'm more inclined to believe the Gnostic version of Christianity over the others. It's super weird and telling that the Judeo-Christian God is extremely jealous.
That might be the most satisfying up vote anyone has ever given.
This is cringeworthy, but then most Internet atheists are.
(And I'm an atheist just not the reddit type)
Your comment is cringeworthy 😡😡😡
I agree, I usually keep to myself but I sort of hoped lemmy could do better than other social media in criticism of religion. But no it's still the same strawmanning that they do in religious circles towards us. I feel that it vindicates the religious that when they come here, all they see are very bad arguments against their belief system.
People get mad when God waits to punish evil then get mad when He actually does it. If God punished evil immediately, we'd all be dead lol.
Also, in terms of tithing, it doesn't have to go to a church, just to a selfless but good cause. I even saw giving money to a friend who was financially struggling and had a bill to pay that they couldn't pay a "tithe". Asking people to give to charity isn't greed
People get mad when God waits to punish evil then get mad when He actually does it.
Never happened, nothing to be mad about. If you mean as an hypothetical scenario where a God exists and he punishes evil then I'm not sure people would get mad, unless they're evil themselves.
Internet atheists constantly criticise God for things like Sodom and Gomorrah or Jericho, or The Flood
I hope they criticize the idea of a good God commiting or letting people commit such atrocities when an alternative is available.
I can only speak for myself because atheism doesn't inform you much about one's belief system but the problem of evil expressed well my issue with the idea of a good God being more than apish fabulations. And to add to this point, religious people who died despite praying and living under the covenant aren't able to witness the futility of the practice, only the few who survived do so.
But you're arguing against a god that's not the God of Christianity. You're arguing against a strawman god.
hope they criticize the idea of a good God commiting or letting people commit such atrocities when an alternative is available.
And to add to this point, religious people who died despite praying and living under the covenant aren't able to witness the futility of the practice, only the few who survived do so.
The God that Christians believe in does punish evil- through Heaven and Hell. Evil will be punished at the judgement. The punishment for sin is Death, so if God punished evil as it happened, literally nobody would be left.
As to you talking about Christians (I assume) who "died" despite praying, they're in Eternal Glory now. A Glory so magnificent that they wouldn't even spare a thought for the suffering they went through while on earth.
All God that is defeatable on the mind of a believer is a strawman God, as for it being the God of Christianity^TM well that's a whole other can of worm.
A lot of what I'm talking about gets lost in translation and the way you equate sin with evil shows how we need a better way of communicating than church words if we want to have a better conversation.
I guess the best way to present it is that if you think the Christian God is a good God then he's not showing it in the reality we can experience.
Sin and evil are equated lol. And any God who convicts people of their evil will be disliked by them, like how an angry kid dislikes a reasonable teacher
Isn't sin by definition offence against a God? The way I understand it christians see God as the ultimate authority. Like a father to a son. It makes sense given the fact that we are raised in an authocratic environment. I guess my point is when someone doesn't believe in the concept of God, good and evil as an authority is nonsensical. Eutyphro dillema and all that.
If you want to understand an atheist then you need to understand this first. If you mostly care for the carrot and sticks of your particular religion then I understand why you aren't motivated towards having a productive conversation.
Offence against God is evil. Morality doesn't exist if it's subjective. If morality is subjective, then who are you to tell me that doing x thing is wrong?
God is a subject. Is he good? If so, how would you know?
Morality is an evolved trait they also can find in other apes on a different scale.
God isn't merely a subject, He is the creator of the universe and of man, who is made in His image. Humans have a moral compass because God designed us to, I don't see how it being an "evolved trait" refutes this
I can't refute what hasn't been proven...
I know all the arguments, probably better than you know them yourself. I was curious, investigated, saw nothing there that wasn't obviously wishful thinking.
I have no interest in deconverting anyone, just to make sure we aren't mischaracterised by the faithful (which we are all the time).
I'm arguing on the basis of the Christian God who isn't subjective
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