I found the most HN comment of all time:
What sort of mating strategy are you optimizing for?
this post was submitted on 12 Aug 2024
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@BasedBeffJezos replying "cracked" to this is the rancid cherry on a shit sundae.
Not a sneer, but something that'll inspire plenty of schadenfreude:
Brian Merchant: The artists fighting to save their jobs and their work from AI are gaining ground
Brian's done plenty of good sneers on AI, I'd recommend checking him out
Can AI companies legally ingest copyrighted materials found on the internet to train their models, and use them to pump out commercial products that they then profit from? Or, as the tech companies claim, does generative AI output constitute fair use?
This is kind of the central issue to me honestly. I'm not a lawyer, just an artist, but it seems to me like "using artistic works without permission of the original creators in order to create commercial content that directly competes with and destroys the market for the original work" is extremely not fair use. In fact it's kind of a prototypically unfair use.
Meanwhile Midjourney and OpenAI are over here like "uhh, no copyright infringement intended!!!" as though "fair use" is a magic word you say that makes the thing you're doing suddenly okay. They don't seem to have very solid arguments justifying them other than "AI learns like a person!" (false) and "well google books did something that's not really the same at all that one time".
I dunno, I know that legally we don't know which way this is going to go, because the ai people presumably have very good lawyers, but something about the way everyone seems to frame this as "oh, both sides have good points! who will turn out to be right in the end!" really bugs me for some reason. Like, it seems to me that there's a notable asymmetry here!
I dunno, I know that legally we don’t know which way this is going to go, because the ai people presumably have very good lawyers
You're not wrong on the AI corps having good lawyers, but I suspect those lawyers don't have much to work with:
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Pretty much every AI corp has been caught stealing from basically everyone (with basically everyone caught scraping without people's knowledge or consent, and OpenAI, Perplexity, and Anthropic all caught scraping against people's explicit wishes)
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Said data was used to create products which, either implicitly or [explicitly]((https://archive.is/jNhpN), produce counterfeits of the stolen artists' work
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Said counterfeits are, in turn, destroying the artists' ability to profit from their original work and discouraging them from sharing it freely
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And to cap things off, there's solid evidence pointing to the defendants being completely unrepentant in their actions, whether that be Microsoft's AI boss treating such theft as entirely acceptable or Mira Murati treating the job losses as an afterthought
If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the trial being a bloodbath in the artists' favour, and the resulting legal precedent being one which will likely kill generative AI as we know it.
God, that would be the dream, huh? Absolutely crossing my fingers it all shakes out this way.
Stranger things have happened. But in either case, we should commit to supporting every effort. If one punch doesn't work take another. Death by a million cuts.
Like, it seems to me that there’s a notable asymmetry here!
I think that's a great framing here.
The link seems b0rked, do you have another one?
Fixed the link - thanks for catching it.
Another front in the war of the sexes has opened, and men are on the back foot!
HN: Women are using ChatGPT to catch men lying about their height
The counterattacks are planned!
"They" all lie:
I personally take my job as Photo Detective very seriously, a trait I only acquired from too many dates with people who did not look as good as their photos in real life.
Double standards!!
I'm pretty sure if men would use ChatGPT to catch women lying about their body this conversation would be in a completely different tone.
For some reason The Internet decided that 6 feet was an arbitrary limit, under which men could be just ignored.
Imagine men deciding that any woman with smaller than (insert random body measurement we can't affect) could just be filtered out?
Both sides!
Women will hate finding out that it can guess their age and weight! It can even guess their socioeconomic group, and if they dye their hair.
Great, guys can use it too. We'll see how these chicks react...
it can guess their age and weight! It can even guess their socioeconomic group, and if they dye their hair.
But can it detect Inexplicable Cimmerian Vibes? Can it guess the haplogroup?
She knows you swiped left. She slams the table with both her hands. The formica cracks beneath her mighty fists as she shouts oaths in the name of Crom.
DISAPPOINTED!
Google’s Search Dominance Leaves Sites Little Choice on AI Scraping (no archive - archive.ph appears to have died)
Because Google literally can't stop being evil even when the world's eyes are on it
Bloomberg seems to have stopped feeding full article text to search engines - can't even grab it via Yandex
yall might want to take notice of this thing https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/20460779
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Recent_research
STORM: AI agents role-play as "Wikipedia editors" and "experts" to create Wikipedia-like articles, a more sophisticated effort than previous auto-generation systems
ai slop in extruded text form, now longer and worse! and burns extra square kilometers of rainforest
we propose the STORM paradigm for the Synthesis of Topic Outlines through Retrieval and Multi-perspective Question Asking
oh come the fuck on
The authors hail from Monica S. Lam's group at Stanford, which has also published several other papers involving LLMs and Wikimedia projects since 2023 (see our previous coverage: WikiChat, "the first few-shot LLM-based chatbot that almost never hallucinates" – a paper that received the Wikimedia Foundation's "Research Award of the Year" some weeks ago).
from the same minds as STOTRMPQA comes: we constructed this LLM so it won’t generate a response unless similar text appears in the Wikipedia corpus and now it almost never entirely fucks up. award-winning!
literally why would you do this. you can research anything you stupid bastards why would you make this
People out there acting like "research" using LLMs is ethical
LLM, tell me the most obviously persuasive sort of science devoid of context. Historically, that's been super helpful so let's do more of that.
Following up on this comment re: the TESCREAL wikipedia page https://awful.systems/comment/4332398
It's now been nominated for deletion (again), the discussion has blown up because it was noted on social media, and the nominator seems to be an... interesting... character
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TESCREAL_(2nd_nomination)
Edit I now see they have admitted conflict of interest and visually downgraded their "Delete" nomination (I have no fucking clue if that actually affects anything, it would not surprise me that Wikipedia considers strong formatting a valid signal for determining weight of opinion)
glancing at their profile, they have "what if I were king tho", something that claims to focus on "sensitive use of language" (it links to "wokism")
oh and to really add that flavour, they have this at the very top of their profile:
As of 26 Jul 2024, I have a new plan to get a job in 2025, a new plan to save democracy from itself, …, and …. And it all started on Wikipedia.
Applications of genetics, such as exploring ethical boundaries related to Eugenics... and maybe someday doing it right.
just a real winner of a human being that everyone would definitely want to be around
(e: jesus fuck I just looked at that political party too. wat.)
Dude came up with an unofficial wikipedia article naming dispute resolution process, used it on a single article, saw the mostly negative feedback...
And thought "you know what. I should build a political party around this and get Elon Musk on board".
A new plan to save America!
17 followers.
To paraphrase Jenny Nicholson: Nobody's watching your revolution except sneerclub, and we're only watching it as performance art.
Meta: is that his plan all along? Maybe a few well placed sneer is what you need to save America.
Even fewer people are watching it because Xshitter has gone hard into "don't show any content on the site if you're not logged in". Get a fucking website, dude. And not your blog, last updated in 2015.