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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Catching up to Opera circa 2006. Opera added this feature in Opera 9, released June 2006.

I still miss the old Opera. The Chromium-based version just isn't the same.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I still have a copy of Opera 12 on one of my old machines. Good times. Presto!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I wish it still worked well on modern sites. I used Opera from around 2000 until when they switched to Chromium in 2012ish. The first version I ever used predated the Presto engine. I used it for everything except web development (which I did using Firefox and Firebug) and sites that needed ActiveX (where I had to use IE).

These days I usually use Firefox, except I use Chrome for web development since its dev tools are a bit more responsive on complex sites compared to Firefox's.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Tab groups dying in a ditch

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

How about if I go away from the mobile app and then go back into it, then it doesn't reload the page I was just on. I can still see where I was until I click it, why do you need to reload it? Fuckin' bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

My phone has this problem. It's RAM.

My phone is literally never not using the full 8 GB it has, and it's constantly juggling. Even when I have next to nothing open.

What's eating it all? Fuck if I know. My phone also has a system memory leak that has eaten up 90% of the onboard storage with modem crash dumps I can't delete without root, and this phone has no custom firmware to do that. Got what I paid for, I guess...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't see this behavior on android. Is it impossible that there is some kind of phone battery or memory usage process that's causing the sessions to be discarded?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

When the OS tells Android Firefox that the phone is running out of ram, it murders any tabs it thinks you might not be looking at, to avoid being murdered by Android for its ram.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I just replicated it by opening a second app. It doesn't seem to do it every time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Does discord happen to have similar behavior? Your phone may just be underpowered, I mean, so is mine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I had that with my old phone, it's gone with more RAM

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This was already a thing for ages until they killed it, but it is still possible if you are okay with tweaking userChrome.css

Why Mozilla wastes resources on their own implementation instead of providing API's to third party developers is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Your first link is based on XUL, which was deprecated because it was wasting resources being unmaintainable and insecure.

Here's a great article about that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This person said XUL is insecure! Any Palemoon users here? Anyone wanting to tell them that Mozilla is totally taking away user Freedom and that Palemoon is a totally secure Browser? XD

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Shhh, they’ll hear you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Admittedly, yes, XUL was a complete shitfest. Though I remember that it was more due to security patches and poor memory management that caused the apparent poor performance, not so much for addons. I was on waterfox classic at the time of writing of this article and had like 30 addons enabled, including TST, CRT, and TileTabs. all non-e10s-blocking, and, I assure you, it was just as fast(and slow) as quantum.

But, that's besides the point. Customization, especially via addon's, was one of the defining features of Firefox. Before, you had opera, which you could customize it within certain limits, Firefox if you want full control, and IE if you're a dummy. Now, you have Vivaldi if you want customization within certain limits, Chrome if you're a dummy, and Firefox is... just... not chrome? I'd say the addons should've been kept at all costs, maybe in a different way, without amputating the whole browser. But they did and it lost it's appeal to a major portion of people. Of course there are still exclusive features like container tabs and min vid, but those are not exclusive to quantum either. The whole ordeal sounds just like that time when Yandex, in order to solve a support ticket overflow, just removed the contact support button.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Tab groups, vertical tabs, synced Workspaces. I've hacked together most of it, but being able to have separated pages of tabs synced through my account would be a godsend. Only thing keeping me on MS Edge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know why I never vibed with vertical tabs, but I've just never been able to make it work mentally. And I could see a double-edged sword with synced workspaces (I think having a button to click and see open tabs on other devices is a perfect middle ground). Personally, tab groups is the only thing I miss from Chromium. I used the feature for grouping, but also for labeling tabs: "Check back Tuesday," or "Don't forget to follow up," or whatever. If they gave us tab groups and then never updated Firefox again, I think I would be pretty happy.

EDIT: well okay not happy, but I would be satisfied with the browser we ended up with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you mean never updated, or never adding new features? Because Firefox would be unusuable within 6 months because of how the web works if it stopped being updated

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
  1. Yes, I was speaking hyperbolically.

  2. My hyperbole also presumes that Gecko continues to be updated, though the browser would get no further updates.

  3. This hyperbolic hypothetical is truly impossible, since Firefox is open-source. It would continue to be maintained by SOMEone.

  4. Six months might be a bit pessimistic. It might start being less reliable within six months, but the pace of WHATWG RFCs has been dwindling gradually since the mid-2000s. Honestly, I think operating system changes would be more likely to render Firefox's codebase obsolete before web standards do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I get that you were being hyperbolic, I'm honestly not sure why I left my previous comment, you're absolutely right

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

If nothing else, you have given me the gift of "hyperbolic hypothetical," so thank you for that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Not a fan of Edge, but absolutely love the tab groups. Use them at work all the time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

I'd rather have them work on fingerprint spoofing, and getting rid of the tracking from google they put into it

Librewolf, if you want to use a firefox based browser, use librewolf instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I don’t care about any new tab features except making Tab Mix Plus work effortlessly in the current Firefox.

Right now it’s a game of restriction-whack-a-mole in trying to canopener Firefox into making TMP work again.

TMP is one of the main reasons why I still use any variant of Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

I love tab previews, but I would hate to give up vertical tabs for it. If they would implement vertical tabs + previews, I for one would be happy.

Anyone know a way to mimic Brave vertical tabs with preview? I can get close, but without preview images and that's what I'm after.

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