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Now that he's changed the name and the founders have moved on.... (i.imgflip.com)

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What's butterfly icon? Did Xitter get a new one?

[–] [email protected] 85 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

That's Bluesky. It's supposed to be a federated social media, but right now there's only one kind of software for it and you can't yet self-host it (although you can self-host your data). The open-source protocol, known as AT, was created by Twitter back in the day, and Jack Dorsey and a bunch of staff were able to rescue it when Musk took over.

AT does not federate with ActivityPub, but users of either protocol can appear on the other using Bridgy; and some Friendica instances have basic support for AT. The equivalent of "fediverse" is "ATmosphere" (with the first two letters capitalised).

Since it became public (as opposed to invite-only), Dorsey left the platform and went back to Nostr (yet another microblogging platform, this time built around blockchain :-P).

It's actually quite a nice place, in my opinion, with a vibe similar to a combination of Twitter and Tumblr.

Sorry for going into this much detail. I just really like explaining things.

EDIT: Turns out, the word being thrown around in place of "tweet" was also slang for cum. I have removed it, as this was probably originally a joke.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'll skeet skeet mother fucker

I'll reskeet god damn!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So do you guys not know what skeet means or....

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm dying, we really out here trying to convince people to leave Twitter for a site that uses the word "reskeet"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What's wrong with a little skeet shooting?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Thank you for taking into so much detail. I feel pretty well informed now.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

It was always shit. Musk made it shittier. But as always, stop giving it oxygen.

[–] [email protected] 110 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Or use Mastodon. Either way...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Shoulda called it "Flutter".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Since flutter is a comparatively popular* mobile framework it probably wasn't a good way to make a name for yourself.

*(I personally hate it and think it's going to die without Google backing it but at the time of writing it's pretty commonly discussed as an option for cross platform mobile dev)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Aw crap. Welp... RIP flutter.

If it's backed by Google is probably going to die.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That would be cool, but Bluesky was still using a photo of literal blue sky as its icon until recently.

[–] [email protected] 256 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Such a business genius to just completely trash well known name branding that most companies would kill to have. Twitter was a household name, the bird instantly recognizable with the brand, and "tweet" and "retweet" as common words.

Such a brilliant display of Vision™ by Musk.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 4 months ago (1 children)

not only that, heaps of cultures associate birds with rumours and news (a little bird told me that ...). I was genius marketing and top tier branding

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why bother when we have Mastadon?

[+] [email protected] -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

As I understand it, Mastodon doesn't federate like Lemmy/K-Mbin does (and Sublinks & Piefed too!), where in order to follow someone you need to be on the same instance? Or something? Anyway Mastodon needs some work before it could be a viable replacement.

Edit: I did not phrase this well at all. Oh well, it led to an interesting discussion so I'll leave it here for posterity, but it's incorrect. I think the only correct part of the above is that if you try to leave a Mastodon instance, then like a Lemmy one, you can't really take your account with you (only your settings, but people who followed you before will have to now follow you again in the new location, it does not automatically transfer). So it "federates" but it's not "freely transferable" as people were over-selling it to be.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Incorrect. It's just a different kind of platform. There's no really simple way to make a twitter-like site and a forum site mesh fluidly, but Mastodon users can see Lemmy posts and comments and like and reply to them, and I believe even post. Lemmy users can interact when Mastodon users come into Lemmy but are limited in discovering other Mastodon content.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Hello from Mastodon

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Cool! Consider the receipts delivered, and with my thanks for the gentle correction:-D.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I thought Blue Sky wasn't based on ActivityPub at all. Isn't a different implementation better than no implementation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Bluesky does their own thing: https://atproto.com/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Bluesky uses "AT protocol", not ActivityPub. Ironically the former is trying to federate as well, but still it's a different protocol altogether (so it would federate within its own network, as in people could start up their own Bluesky instance). Despite that, some people tried building a bridge between ActivityPub and AT, but there was enormous pushback, driven in part by ideological differences between more serious Mastodon users and the more casual X/Twitter style user (picture a Reddit mod, now halve their IQ, and I'm just joking bc I've never had a Twitter account so I don't truly know what that filth is like to have to wallow in:-). Anyway, MBin is able to connect Mastodon to Lemmy bc they both use the ActivityPub protocol, but AT is a different protocol.

A lot of things allow you to export your settings, but nothing that I've heard of allows you to import your posts and such - and therefore truly migrate - your account from one place to another. Therefore the whole federated concept has been oversold - as in, "if you don't like a place you can leave it and go somewhere else", the same as anything else in the entire history of space and time (divorce, immigration, quitting your job, etc.). But if you do, then you lose everything - all of your follower base, which for like an author is impactful to their actual career. Hence why so many are so reluctant to leave X, despite the Musk having taken over (and the smell permeating the place now, to where most of their followers are gone as well).

It's the same reason why "everyone still uses Windows" (I don't): herd mentality, and also, like using Querty (that one I do), holding onto the past bc of not wanting to pay the price to have to switch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I've been able to follow people from different instances no problem.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (4 children)

there are 2 sides to the AP-connected fediverse.... microblogging (tweets/mastodon) and the threadiverse (federated forums/lemmy). mastodon is 100% microblog. lemmy is 100% threadiverse.

mbin is both.

i can easily follow/be followed by mastodon, universodeon, etc as well as fully participate with lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for the explanation!:-)

But can someone follow you from a different Mastodon instance than the one you are currently on? Or was that something that changed in the last year? Maybe I misunderstood or it wasn't explained to me well, but I definitely get that people don't want to switch instances bc they will lose all their old followers, but is that the main impediment to people using Mastodon - they just don't want to switch to using it? If so, it's enough, bc as we have seen, these large entities like Twitter are a lot more fragile than people used to believe.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

mastodon is a federating micrblog platform.. so anyone on any other instance of any kind that also speaks AP/microblog can interoperate. instance is just an address.

the main thing keeping people from leaving twitter are their own egos. as you point out, 'ive got x followers! ill have none in the fediverse!'

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Hehe, I've switched between at least three different Fediverse accounts since leaving Reddit, but okay sure if that's how they want to interact with the world...

Tbf it does point to the more fundamental differences between the platforms, with like anonymous shitposting on the Fediverse (which is like 90% Star Trek and Linux memes:-P) vs. tech or other topical blogging on Mastodon where their actual irl names mean something (e.g. I would be inclined to read something from Robert Reich, but Alex Jones not so much).

And the funny part is that, according to that article I linked in another comment in this thread, their followers are already leaving, now that Twitter has morphed into X (just like advertisers, hey-oh!). They aren't even necessary going elsewhere, so much as simply leaving, and waiting for something to solidify.

So, much like all the people on Reddit that self-report now as being shocked - shocked I tell you, shooketh! ⚡ - that the platform is feeding them crap that they don't want to see (but which the algorithm demands that they view - all hail The Algorithm, forever may it reign 😭), the time to be bold and jump somewhere else was when Musk took over and people could have made a coordinated exit strategy. Or maybe if enough people got (ahem 💵 "involved" 💰 i.e. 🤑 enough to affect the market) they could even have ousted him as CEO entirely and saved Twitter to be bought by someone else. Anyway, the second best time is now, before their followers never log back in to that advertisement-infested cesspool of human garbage again, in order to see their messages about where they have decided to jump ship too.

Like fascist governments all around the globe, WE the people gave these demons the power that they hold over us.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

But there's so many furries

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Why is that a problem?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I've never used Xhitter

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They keep the internet running, they can stay.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Yeah, we kinda make the internet go

Best deal with it 😎🐺

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

twatter, i says

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Armin, i mean seymour skinner

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Go away, there's no Armin Tamzarian and there never was!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Steamed Hams but it's Mega Man Battle Network

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

That was a good ride

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