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In the wake of a Chinese doping scandal, Michael Phelps doubled down Monday on his support for tougher sanctions — including a lifetime ban for anyone who tests positive for a banned substance.

“If you test positive, you should never be allowed to come back and compete again, cut and dry,” Phelps said. “I believe one and done.”

The World Anti-Doping Agency and World Aquatics have acknowledged that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned substance ahead of the Tokyo Olympics. The results were not made public until media reports surfaced this year, with both bodies accepting the Chinese explanation that the positive tests were caused by tainted food.

Nine of those swimmers won medals - several as part of relay teams - n Paris, leading British star Adam Peaty to gripe that the playing field was not even.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not only should they get a lifetime ban, but every athlete should be tested 100% of the time. There is no reason why something as huge and prestigious as the Olympics, with the kind of money it brings in, should not be doing this.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Absolutely. Yes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ehhhh I think there might be place for a little more subtlety. Someone who's admitted to doing so probably doesn't deserve to be banned from participating in a sport they probably love. And a hard line might encourage people to take the denial till death approach which can make things annoying

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 months ago (3 children)

While interesting, I'm not convinced it would stop pressure from an athlete's home country. Just increases the personal conflict against those pressures.

Consider a 4 year ban for the country instead. Make it a serious offense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Make it 20 years, but only if it proven to be a team issue and not individual.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

How about lifetime for the athlete, 4 year for the country.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you have a situation like Russia where there is a provable government doping program, agreed. But if an athlete makes the personal decision to use performance enhancers that happen to slip through the initial screening but then get caught by the Olympic testers, I wouldn't hold that against the rest of the athletes from that country.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I would. Well not against the individual athletes but against their country of origin. Countries screening would need to be better than the IOC ones or en par.

The basic framing is: "your boss fucked up, you're part of the fallout".

An alternative would be to allow all doping.

But at the moment the approach is to reward the smartest cheaters and at least for me removed all interest for most sport events.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Just keep in mind, a lot of countries are not the US/Europe/China. There are small island nations and city states sending a number of athletes you can count with one hand. They many not have the technical/financial resources to pre-screen and rely only on the Olympics' own testing process.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

That is a very good point which I haven't considered!

Thanks :)

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Not that I think it should be, but isn't cannabis a banned substance? If so, doesn't that apply to him?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Isn’t the idea of banning doping in the Olympics to deal with people using banned substances while actively competing? That is to say, even though Phelps uses weed, has he tested positive during an active competition for being on weed (or any other substance)?

What competitors do in their off time is fine as far as I’m concerned. But if they’re using right before or during actively competing, then I can see where it’s a problem. No?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Athletes who compete on an international level don't have off time.
They're training year-round, and there's a lot of performance enhancing drugs that speed up recovery during the training season. Faster recovery gives the athlete more time to train, which enhances their performance during competition.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cannabis doesn't enhance your performance in swimming.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think the window for the testing is what matters more. Whatever they do off-season is their business, as long as its not in their system during training and competition

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't he banned from competing for a while because he tested positive for it or am I misremembering?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sort of... CBD isn't, and anyway I imagine the exclusion of cannabis won't be around much longer. There are many studies that show it has no impact on athletic performance.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago

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