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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Can you agree but also conclude that this knowledge has no real impact on our lives, and therefore our agency is preserved?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Relevant pbs spacetime video (discovery about microtubules relevant to theory of quantum consciousness)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I am disappointed in how long it took me to see the joke, but its a good one! I'm gonna have to go with page 72.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

This reminds me of that one riddler comic (Found it, batman black and white #5 "The Riddle", here's a reddit link since that was the easiest to find https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comments/tn8b68/ )

It's a creative and very short choose your own adventure and I highly recommend it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Time to mention Sapolsky with relevant context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNMLlX7tyQk

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Which book is this?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Haha, fuck fate. I have free will!

Throws the book in the fireplace

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

book lands in fireplace open on page 72

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The predetermined universe smiles when the book's fate is being fulfilled.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

what does it look like when a universe smiles?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Your guess is just as valid as mine.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When I was like 7 my mom bought me a choose your own adventure book. I tried to read it cover to cover and was very confused.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So if you read it cover to cover, what did you think the instructions were about? What about the "turn to page X" parts?

I'm not judging - this is exactly the sort of oblivious thing I would've done as a kid too - but I'm curious how it happened.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I specifically remember doing this with one of the goosebumps choose your own adventure. There was a good ending page that referenced nirvana (the idea not the band) and I read that thing end to end choosing both choices for everything. No page ever sent you to it. It was just a contrivance that you were sent to glance at while flipping through.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Okay that's kind of amazing, you found an easter egg in an out of bounds area.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If it is all predetermined, why is it nobody can predict events? And before any "psychics" chime in, even crapshooter rolls a 7 sometimes

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In order to simulate the future of the universe, one would need a computer that could store every bit of data required to express the state of the universe, plus anything required to handle any temporary calculations and then extra if you want to store anything about that simulation.

There is only one such device known to exist: the universe itself. And it doesn't store any simulation history, though you can figure out some things by examining the current state.

We could simulate a smaller portion of the universe, but you still need to store every bit of information about the current state and things would diverge anyways because you won't be perfectly simulating the edges and those differences would cascade throughout the whole thing eventually.

That state for Earth would still take an earth amount of matter to store. But ok, let's say we repurpose Jupiter to be a perfect Earth simulator at least until the edge differences mess it all up, plus it has a ton of extra matter to store useful information about the simulation. First thing you'll need to do once it's ready is initialize it with the current state of Earth.

But, there's a problem: how do you measure every single thing about something without the earlier measurements changing the later ones? You can't measure something without interacting with it in some way. Even if you just look at it, it changes (though it's not your eyes that change it, it's the light that bounced off of it to get to your eyes). That change is miniscule for direct affects on us, but it's very relevant at a perfect simulation level of detail.

The universe might be deterministic (I don't think there's any real way to determine this for sure either way, like what would be different if it was or wasn't?), but it's not prederministic, at least not from within.

Maybe there's some kind of mechanism to see a reflection from the future or something like that, but even then, what would happen if someone saw themselves walk through the left door in the future but when the moment came walked through the right door instead?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Even a mirror can only reflect so much of what faces it being as it is a manmade tool and is as such inherently limited. Ourbrains are even hamstrung by the chemicals that flow within it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well a crap shooter is most likely to roll a seven, so I dunno about your analogy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah finite sets deliver finite results. everything Man can devise is finite in nature. The universe is not finite though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

The universe is not finite though

What convinced you of that?

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