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I'm a little bit underwhelmed, I thought that based off the fact so many people seem to make using this distro their personality I expected... well, more I guess?

Once the basic stuff is set-up, like wifi, a few basic packages, a desktop environment/window manager, and a bit of desktop environment and terminal customisation, then that's it. Nothing special, just a Linux distribution with less default programs and occasionally having to look up how to install a hardware driver or something if you need to use bluetooth for the first time or something like that.

Am I missing something? How can I make using Arch Linux my personality when once it's set up it's just like any other computer?

What exactly is it that people obsess over? The desktop environment and terminal customisation? Setting up NetworkManager with nmcli? Using Vim to edit a .conf file?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I have used a number of distros over the last 15 years. Once I found one I liked, I stuck with it. I understand the package manager, some of the special features of the distro I use and I don't really have time to relearn this every couple of months on new distros.

If I want a different "feel", I change my DE. But that's about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I tried it and was underwhelmed, but also overwhelmed.

I love the idea of choosing everything I want, but Arch also meant the pain of learning to install everything I actually need first.

Is there a minimalistic distro that installs all just the essentials (drivers, services like DHCP, a package manager, desktop GUI), and then I choose from there?

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Most distros are very similar - it's mostly the same software just using a different package manager.

This is why "which distro should I use" is the most annoying question in this community.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

It is definitely annoying but I think it's understandable from people that are coming in from the outside.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Do people really make Arch their personality? Ive been using Arch-based distros since forever and never really met someone like that. I thought it was just a meme.

I like the minimalism and ability to control more parts of your system as opposed to an automated install process doing everything for you. But you don't have to do that much manually. The main pacstrap step basically sets up your whole system anyway. It's not that different to other mainstream distros. I have always just used it like any other distro.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the bleeding-edge packages and AUR are nice features too. And being rolling release to a lesser extent, just my preference.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I thought it was just a meme.

I see way more complaints about 'elitist Arch users' than I ever do comments from actual elitist Arch users.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Use it as your daily driver and get really comfortable with it. After this, complain loudly when you see someone doing anything in a different way. Then say "I use Arch btw"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm trying out Arch on my laptop atm, and tbh the only real advantage (at least for me) is that the packages tend to be a lot fresher than on Debian-based distros. The question is how many of your packages you really need to be that fresh.

I think a lot of Arch users feel like wizards because they connected to the home wifi using the command line, but if you've tinkered with (/broken then had to fix lol) other distros, you will have done all this stuff before

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It's a linux distro, just like all other linux distros... Idk what to tell ya

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Am I missing something? How can I make using Arch Linux my personality when once it's set up it's just like any other computer?

IMO there's nothing about Arch, or any other distro, that makes it worth using, beyond whatever goals you have. If Arch helps you accomplish that goals, great. If not, pick a different distro that does.

In my case, I want to use the latest version of software and use my own configs without inadvertently breaking stuff, based on some arbitrary set of assumptions that distros like Ubuntu or Fedora have made about how their own distro should be used, and Arch has been the easiest way to do that for me.

Also, as others have said, AUR and PKGBUILDs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

You have reached the pinnacle of Linux, every other distro you try from now on will seem bland. 🧗🏼

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

That's basically it. Some Arch users are genuinely just picky about what they want on their system and desire to make their setup as minimal as possible. However, a lot of people who make it their personality just get a superiority complex over having something that's less accessible to the average user.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Linux distros differ only in their package managers, really.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

And init systems, and C libraries, and the few that use something other than GNU.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I'm using Arch because you start with nothing and you can make any system you want. I have disk encryption, btrfs as a filesystem, secure boot with my own custom keys, I'm running self-build kernel, I'm using apparmor and I can use any program from AUR, etc. Thats my personality. Things that you can't see but are important to me.

On other distros some of these things would be very hard to do. Especially without Arch Wiki.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Outside of the meme, the only people who make it their personality are generally younger and less experienced users who feel extremely empowered and proud by doing anything useful on the command line. Not like those users on Ubuntu (which they just switched from) who install stuff from a store like losers, nuh uh.

Before Arch you had the same type of people on Gentoo feeling superior because of use flags and watching hours of compiler output, after switching from Mandrake.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

What exactly is it that people obsess over? The ricing?

Please refrain from using racist terms. Here's a good thread about it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for pointing this out.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Of course! Thanks for being cool. It always sucks to learn a term you've been using has a shitty meaning you didn't intend, and some people react to that realization quite poorly as we can see below lol

[–] [email protected] 105 points 5 months ago

You already announced you use Arch... So you're doing good

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Am I missing something?

Yep. You got meme'd -- Arch is a distro like any other.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I’ve been using Debian for many years now. The hardest part about switching my desktop to arch (partly to try something different, partly for later kernel / tools) was not that arch is difficult, but that I need to type ‘sudo pacman -S’ instead of ‘sudo apt install’ to install new packages. It is functionally the same in my day to day use which is fantastic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Ya, its just some people over exaggerated a bit. As long as you don't do stuff that obviously tries to mess with core system stuff it should be fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

You must have missed the small print that says "Personality not included". Linux is simple, individual character is hard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I just wanted a distro built to my specs, up to date, uses pacman, not run by a for-profit company, with good documentation. The hype is mostly Reddit elitism and gatekeeping. I like that nobody has slipped branding and extra bookmarks into my browser.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

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